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Mage/Dark Wizard Mathematically Invincible Build

Discussion in 'Class Builds' started by kokonut_pi, Oct 9, 2016.

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  1. kokonut_pi

    kokonut_pi ( ~ ' - ' ) ~ HERO

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    Mage

    Blue Mask
    Gravity
    Gemini
    Fermion

    Concentration
    Prism
    Prowess
    Royal Stormy Amulet

    Bonder

    50/70/68/68/70

    Additional SP goes to Defense.

    Total Mana Regen: 12/4s
    Total Mana Reduction: -50.3%

    Total Elemental Defense: 375 in each element, Air/Thunder gets more due to Gemini.
    Total % Elemental Defense: Depending on Gemini and Prism, around 60% in each element.
    Total HP: Around 11000. Use Statue for extra disrespect.

    Result:

    Infinite spell casting by alternating between any two spells. Pressing a 3-key combination takes on average 0.4 seconds. This means you can heal at least once every second.

    A 10k Pure Elemental Damage attack will deal around 3k damage.
    A 10k Neutral Damage attack (nigh impossible) will deal around 5k damage.
    A 10k Multi Elemental Damage attack will deal next to nothing.

    40% dodge chance due to Agility.

    Heal restores 70% of the user's current HP. A 5000 HP deficit will result in a heal of ( 1000 - 5000 ) * 0.7 = 4200HP, bringing the user's HP to 4200 + 6000 = 10200.

    Assuming a class has some magical way to deal 10000 neutral damage every 0.8 seconds consistently ( 0.8 seconds because in order to endlessly cast spells you need to alternate between two spells):

    10000 * 0.5 (defense) * 0.6 (agility):

    3000 damage every 0.8 seconds.

    This build heals 4200HP every 0.8 seconds.

    "But what about Fatal/Catalysm/Some Other RNG Weapon?"

    A high end roll of Fatal deals, like, 20000 damage?
    A high end roll of Catalysm deals, like, I don't know, 30000 damage?

    Ice Snake is a giant middle finger to all Assassins.

    20000 * 0.5 * 0.6 = 6000
    30000 * 0.5 * 0.6 = 9000

    And this only happens once every blue moon.

    In order to kill this build, you need a high-end roll of an RNG weapon twice in a row. Assuming the top 10% roll is considered 'high end', the total probability =

    0.1 * 0.1 * 0.6 * 0.6 = 0.0036/1

    Or simply 0.36% chance.

    There's another factor that comes into play: Teleport.

    This build can literally alternate Teleport - Heal - Ice Snake - Heal - Teleport - Heal - Ice Snake - Heal endlessly.

    Heal 4200 HP every 0.8 seconds.
    Instant movement of like 15 blocks every 2.4 seconds.
    Permanent Slowness thanks to Ice Snake (duration exceeds spammability). The only class that can possibly negate this is Archer and its Escape spell. But what the hell is Archer going to do? Neither Infused Hive Bow nor Stinger can keep up with Heal.

    What's more, you can add Water Powders to the armor to get the passive ability of Concentration. This allows you to accumulate huge damages in prolonged battles.

    Conclusion

    The only possible way to defeat this build being used by someone who at least half-knows what they are doing: you can't.

    And no, I'm not saying that you're not trying hard enough, I'm saying it's literally mathematically impossible to kill this build.

    "Boo hoo now everyone will be using this build and Wynncraft PvP is now ruined"

    Yeah it already was. Hopefully Mage will be nerfed soon.

    Suggestions:

    Improve damage calculations for Neutral Damage.
    Heal will give 70% health over 3 seconds.
    Halve the coverage of Ice Snake.
    Remove the Freezing effect of Ice Snake. Slowness is enough.

    Something like this shouldn't exist.
     
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  2. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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  3. motoki1

    motoki1 The Damage Calculation Scientist HERO

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    inb4 mage heal nerf
     
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  4. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    Yep. And mage users wonder why they're called OP by others
     
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  5. JuicedBananas

    JuicedBananas Famous Adventurer HERO

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    How does alternating spells allow you cast infinitely? From my experience you'll get an extra mana use penalty from spellspamming regardless of which spells you are using.
     
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  6. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    From what I heard ice snake resets the mana penalty for some reason, which REALLY doesn't help.
     
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  7. YuuuuSama

    YuuuuSama King of the Trade HERO

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    ←said someone too lazy to lvl up his other class
     
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  8. motoki1

    motoki1 The Damage Calculation Scientist HERO

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    Do you even play wynn?
    If you cast spells like Heal -> Meteor -> Heal -> Meteor , you can loop them.
     
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  9. kokonut_pi

    kokonut_pi ( ~ ' - ' ) ~ HERO

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    As long as you don't use the same spell twice, the mana cost accumulation doesn't occur. This actually works for all classes and all spells.
     
  10. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    wow...
    how did I never notice that...
     
  11. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    Using one spell repeatedly will increase its mana cost, alternating spells doesn't increase the cost
     
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    JuicedBananas Famous Adventurer HERO

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    I always thought it was regardless of what spell you used and that it just reset the mana buildup if you didn't cast for a few seconds
     
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  13. CGS

    CGS Raw Emerald Farmer CHAMPION

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    Very well done I must say, but I don't think this will be good in a boss battle. Most bosses do very high natural damage, could this build take down Qira or Wybel solo?

    I would like to test the defense myself with my melee mage.
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    Qira:
    Highest damage: 4000
    Regeneration: 15000

    Wyble:
    highest damage: 6248
    Regeneration: 6750
    Highest minon damage: 1498 (from Disintegrator)
     
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  14. WhettoWen

    WhettoWen desperatly need a fatal but poor

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    I've got a build similar to this, but not as defensive. 68 Intel doesn't get you as far with spam spells as you think it does.

    I'll test this out once I hit 100, and I'll tell u results.
     
  15. Emeraldruler

    Emeraldruler God of Emeralds | Fire Mage VIP

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    How effective is this against poison builds?
     
  16. CGS

    CGS Raw Emerald Farmer CHAMPION

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    Also, using a spell every .4 seconds, you will run out of mana before the mana regen comes in, even if you had 19/4 mana regen at 67% reduction.
     
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    Baze-Blob Well-Known Adventurer VIP

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    Thunder Chief Thunder HERO

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    @Selvut283 can you debunk this build? Is it legit?
     
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    CGS Raw Emerald Farmer CHAMPION

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    1-5000 fire, 1-5000 thunder, 0-1 neutral.
    https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/wybel-boss-altar-information-thread.148039/
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    Disintegrator
    998-1498 neutral/1-1 fire/1-1 thunder

    Disintegrator Core
    Damage: 0-1 neutral/1-5000 fire/1-5000 thunder
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    The build resist element damage
     
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  20. FruiteyLoops

    FruiteyLoops Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    ponder replacements and can i use libra instead of gravity?
     
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