Not Enough Quests.

Moe_Ronickah · Jul 16, 2016

Relax, everyone. He's just trying to reach the magical 10 post number.

Retathrah · Jul 16, 2016

Lolfaceman said: ↑

I think Wynncraft needs more quests because at higher levels there is only one quest per level so that makes you do more never-ending pvp. Though sometimes it can be fun.
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being the low level some say you are, you have little to worry over. Just wait till level 87-90 just to do the last quest in the game atm.

More quests are planned to be added at a coming update, however it may only consist of higher level quests (like 85+ just to give an estimate guess)

Kaelan~ · Jul 16, 2016

We all want more quests.. it obvious...
BUT really level 1-70's DON'T need more quests.

NewGamerTH · Jul 16, 2016

Lolfaceman said: ↑

And I know I am only level 42 I was speaking in general.
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That is not the thing here

DirtyDoge · Jul 16, 2016

IntSerErr said: ↑

101 quests actually.
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104

TwageTomato · Jul 17, 2016

Also, all of the GMs, Builders, and content creators in general are here as volunteers - they are receiving no compensation for their intensive work aside from recognition and thanks. If you'd like more content to be created, join the team and make it ya own damn self son.

Ackro · Jul 17, 2016

TwageTomato said: ↑

volunteers
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Which is one of the reasons the content is so good. I mean, imagine us being hired and paid for content creators. Efficiency would be top priority, and sure, an update would come out within like 2 weeks, but the content it'd bring would be god awful and disconnecting from the game.

As volunteers, we actually do the work, because we love and know the game. We wouldn't stay if it weren't for that passion. Blood, sweat and tears is the recipe for content these days.

Icicly · Jul 23, 2016

Elbloww said: ↑

Boi you're level 42 ._.
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Rip

Chocolaty_Bear · Jul 23, 2016

Anothe one of these threads....

Troll4ever31 · Jul 23, 2016

I'd say that the issue is the level requirements for quests, forcing you to grind.

What kind of sense does it make that for example in maltic's well they desperately need help, but they won't allow you to until you're level 18.
If I were in that situation, send in a level 1 for all I care.

Not having level requirements for quests would also allow you to CHOOSE to grind, rather than having to.
Level recommendations would work better for quests.

Cruuk · Jul 23, 2016

Troll4ever31 said: ↑

Not having level requirements for quests would also allow you to CHOOSE to grind, rather than having to.
Level recommendations would work better for quests.
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But then you would be skipping big chunks of the game, and what's stopping a high-leveled player helping a low-leveled player complete the Hive, gaining like 50+ levels, skipping a good chunk of the game, this simply wouldn't work for Wynncraft.

Igbar thought this as well in a thread, the thread got out of control until Salted intervened:

I disagree on some points, of course. There's a good saying in game design which goes like this: "If a player can find a more efficient way to do something, he will do it, even if it's less fun". A player rushing to the Molten Height and finishing a quest of that level would not make the game more fun. If we were to do that, we'd actually had to add MORE grinding and more bosses. Why? Because we wouldn't be able to make fun quests like Beyond the Grave without making it so every level 1 will rush to complete it for insta level 50, as it does not require you to kill anything.

It feels like you are way, way too focused on one aspect of the game, which are quests. The game is very open-ended. Other games can manage to have no grinding but often come at a cost of being linear, or hiding their "level requirements". Look at Zelda, sure there's no grinding BUT you do need to do every dungeon one at a time, kill enemies that gets in your way while you're traveling, etc. The game is also a MMORPG, not a RPG. A big part of a MMO is that it lasts for a long time, it's not a game you play once for 12h, finish everything and never touch it again. It's a game requiring team work, trading and taking things slowly. Allowing people to just skip through everything would kill the game very quickly. I mean, why not allow Link to kill Ganon right as he starts right? He would die but people who really like the challenge would have a lot of fun dying over and over again to finish the game.

I hear a lot of people saying "I stopped playing because of grinding", but allowing you to skip half the quests (because btw, skipping quests to reach level 50 in one go would make all the lvl <50 quests stupidly easy and less fun) would make you guys quit even faster, as there would be no content. Grinding is an issue, and the more we update the game, the less there is of that. But it is not as bad as you make it seem.

You compared Wynncraft to Mario, which is... very weird. Mario is a linear platform game. One level of Mario does not equal 1 quest of Wynncraft. If anything, by playtime alone, Mario has more bosses per minutes than Wynncraft.

Something else. The game is very focused on items as well. Skipping 50 levels sounds fun right? Until you realise you are still using a level 5 weapon and can't kill anything, and are forced to go back to Ragni to grind, even more slowly than before. Quests can give items, but with the huge amount of build there is, we'd have to make every quest give 20 items to make it fair for every classes and every elements.

In my opinion, grinding is much, much less of a pain than it was before Gavel. You guys don't know, but we actually reduced the mob-kill required per level in this update. People are able to reach level 60 very easily with almost only quests, and a little bit of.. "grinding". Killing mobs isn't grinding, and it is a gameplay feature that can be fun and rewarding. What is boring is having to do this for hours and hours, which only happens in the late levels.

My idea for the game was always to make it so you have 1 quest per level, giving you a significiant amount of XP, then the little amount left needs to be reach by doing dungeons or killing mobs, in order to find new items and become more powerful. And that grinding doesn't have to be all in one go, it can be done simply by walking from one point to another and killing mobs in your way. Quests are a reward (what even is the problem with that?) the same as killing mob and getting an item is a reward, or getting 2 skill points, or being able to finally wear this great item you found a while back.

Lastly, the fact that you are talking like Wynncraft is spitting on your time makes me fairly upset. We don't add a specific progression because "lol fuck your time", but because it is, without a doubt, what is more fun. The way you talk about the game like it is the worst thing that ever existed feels like a slap on the face. All the work we've done to make fun and diverse builds, to fill up caves with loots and beautiful building is completely overshadowed because the game doesn't go at the pace you'd like. Have you guys ever thought that maybe the game is less fun now because you've played too much of it? Maybe you've outgrown the genre. We can't expect to keep the same playerbase with one game for years, and sometimes it might be better for some of you to just let it go.

Yea, fuck grinding for sure, but we do not have the resources to create content as fast as you guys consume them. We're getting there, and already the next update will reduce grinding even more.

EDIT: Oh yea, there is a bit too much bosses in the Gavel quest, that I can agree.
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Thread is here. https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/a-note-from-igbar-our-late-moderator.120663/

Yuno F Gasai · Jul 23, 2016

Troll4ever31 said: ↑

for example in maltic's well they desperately need help, but they won't allow you to until you're level 18.
If I were in that situation, send in a level 1 for all I care.
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Troll4ever31 said: ↑

Not having level requirements for quests would also allow you to CHOOSE to grind, rather than having to.
Level recommendations would work better for quests.
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What will stop me from finishing the hive at level 1 and getting to level 50?

Bubbles · Jul 23, 2016

-+ Flipboi +- said: ↑

You're only level 42.

Just wait til you reach levels 90 - 101, its a living hell
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Umm... 1-100 can be done with ease without grinding, just with quests... 101 why?!

Troll4ever31 · Jul 23, 2016

Yuno F Gasai said: ↑

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What will stop me from finishing the hive at level 1 and getting to level 50?
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Cruuk-huud said: ↑

But then you would be skipping big chunks of the game, and what's stopping a high-leveled player helping a low-leveled player complete the Hive, gaining like 50+ levels, skipping a good chunk of the game, this simply wouldn't work for Wynncraft.

Igbar thought this as well in a thread, the thread got out of control until Salted intervened:

Thread is here. https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/a-note-from-igbar-our-late-moderator.120663/
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Well, you guys got a point more solid than -INSERT MOST SOLID MATERIAL HERE-, I really should've read salted's reply before to see what's wrong with this concept.

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