Media Selling "old" Adventurer Armor And Nether Armor And My Thoughts

Alright, this has been brought up several times by @Selvut283 on various Trade Market threads. Now, some of you might not agree with me, but I agree that the Adventurer and Nether sets shouldn't be sold for crazy prices just because they are dyed. Let me explain.

A long long time ago, we had something called a Nether Merchant. This guy used to sell his lovely armor for 2EB a piece, for a total of 8EB.

I found a video from a long time ago to help brighten the mood:


Now, this was a very long time ago. I wasn't around at the time, so I could only use information I could find on the wiki to help support my reasoning.

Anyway, this little guy was removed when 1.10 came around. I believe this was due to the fact that the Nether became its own server and that item inventories didn't sync.

Anyway, that 8EB armor skyrocketed in price sometime after Nether Armor was removed. Now, I'm not sure when it exactly got so expensive, but the The Great Duping period likely affected the price and the amount of LE, CT, Pumpkins (quite a lot of them were killed), etc that we currently have. Sadly, multiple people took advantage of some mobs that dropped EB and some other exploits that could get a player some quick cash.

Although I have been informed that multiple dupe glitches existed at the time, so I don't know exactly when the price got so high. Please feel free to correct me.

Anyway, VIP Town also sold Adventurer Armor. I wasn't around at the time, but a full set costed 24EB, or 6EB each. Here is a video below:



Now, the merchant that was selling the armor was removed with VIP Town due to the new EULA changes. Players hoped that they could get rich quick, so they bought quite a bit of sets before the town was removed. Sadly, the price never got too high and the armor never became the new Nether Armor.

Now, the Nether and Adventurer Armor at the time were considered collectables. They sold for quite a bit of LE, and no one could argue with that.

A few years of waiting later, we FINALLY get NETHER and ADVENTURER armor back into the game once Gavel was released. Not as a merchant, but as a mob drop. Now, at first everyone was thinking RIP collectables, but things quickly changes when it was discovered that the armor dropped UNDYED! UNDYED SET ARMOR? YES! OUR ARMOR STILL HAS VALUE! COLLECTABLE STILL! YES YES YES! THE NEW ARMOR IS WORTHLESS! OUR OLD ARMOR CAN STILL SELL FOR SO MUCH!!!!! :D :D :D xD

NO! According to the Item API at the time, this "undyed" set armor had a COLOR value! OMG! WHAT IS THIS?

YES! This UNDYED Nether Armor and Adventurer Armor (and other set armor) was really supposed to be dyed all along since Gavel's release! Wow! What happened? Why isn't it dropping dyed? DEVELOPERS!

Anyway, people have been dismissing the fact that this is indeed a glitch. They still sell old dyed sets for over stack of LE, depending on the set. They still believe that it's okay because one has color and one doesn't.

Now, let's stop for a moment and talk about the item drop system. Now, from observation, I can sort of guess on how items are dropped. The closer the player is to a mob's level, the more likely items will drop. Now, I personally don't like that due to the fact that it makes low lever gear and items harder to obtain with a high level class. Sure, this encourages player trading, but still... ;-;

Now, due to the above, I could understand that some lower level items could increase in price, but not by much.

Anyway, recently I discovered that the ItemDB had different dyed colored armor compared to the "old" dyed armor. (Although, I could be reading the RGB values wrong... but I doubt that.) This might decrease the old set value, but not by much. Who knows?

Now here is the big question:

Is selling Nether and Adventurer Armor for over X amount really scamming?

And my Answer: Maybe.

Short Answer:

If it's being sold purely because it's dyed, then yes. If it's being sold because it's hard to get it as a drop for a high level class and the price is reasonable, not really. Now, maybe if they change the system so that items around a mob's level drop even when the player is high leveled, I would say it is scamming then.

Long(ish) Answer:

Spoiler: ???

I'll do this later. So tired. ;-;
As it is now, selling dyed armor for unreasonable prices (20LE, 80LE, etc) would be considered scamming in my eyes. Why pay all that LE when you could kill mobs and the like to get the same items at the cost of 0 emeralds. What I don't like is that high levels cannot get low level weapons and armor easily as low levels near a mobs level. If it were changed so that items would drop from mobs regardless of level, then it would make getting these items easier without having to spend hours asking around for these items.Even if they don't change it, a near unlimited amount of these kinds of armor could still be generated. Low availability, but unlimited supply.

Once armor drops dyed again in a future update, I predict that the sale of adventurer armor and nether armor would become almost non-existent. If the armor that drops really is a different color than the old dyed armor that could bought from merchants, then the possibility of players selling the old sets would still exist.

 

To be honest if they would allow the selling of those sets at high prices the price would slowly go down and the le loss will be spread on many players instead of a few.

 

wait wait waitt... are you telling me, that old nether armor is being sold like before because its dyed? i didnt quite understand it

 

All I'm going to say is people will buy items for stupid amounts of money if it's even sort of "collectible". CSGO Items..

 

The reason why items have value is because players find value in the items. Rarity plays a big part in it too, as most people attribute rareness to prestige and wealth.
So why is dyed nether armour and adventurer armour expensive?
That's because players find value in the armour sets, just like inmates in prisons find value in cigars and trade cigarettes around as a currency.
In fact, most money today has no actual value in terms of uses!
What could you do with a piece of paper? Wipe your bum with it? This is called fiat currency, if I'm not mistaken.
The point is, players want these sets of armour because they are 1. rare, 2. special (some guy probably thought it was special, then the thing caught on, then bajillions of people wanted the armour sets, and there was a limited supply and a massive demand and... yea)

So maybe the players should be the one to decide what has value or not.
Freedom of speech, baby.
Not meaning to be rude.

 

Hear that? SHIT SELVUT IS COMING!

 

Hide your children, hide your wives, cuz here comes Selvut

 

If I'm correct in what you're saying (might not be, kinda hard to follow) you're concerned that people paying lots of money for old armor sets is scamming? I'd disagree highly due to the low supply of the armors and the high demand some collectors have for the armor sets. It's kinda just economics the way I see it. If there was less of a demand for them or more of a supply maybe we would see a lower price.

 

I don't think the new armours should be dyed, people payed quite a lot of Le just to get their hands on this armour. And now people can just easily get it? I would say leave it undyed so that it still has SOME value. I mean, people have already lost a lot of Le when they had "clean sets" Know what I mean?

tl;dr
Keep it undyed.

 

Update: Added the long(ish) answer in the spoiler.

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Just why?

If the glitch were fixed so that dyed armor would drop dyed, then the supply would be unlimited if the color is the same.

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Good thing I never got pulled into the world of CSGO.

Read the long(ish) answer and tell me if your opinion is the same.

I still see some sets going for over 20LE and 80LE, depending on the set. Maybe that's the answer you want?

Read the long(ish) answer and tell me if your opinion is the same. I still don't like the idea of selling those sets if everything stays like it is.

Giving color to armor, in my opinion, gives it sense of depth and a unique feel. It wasn't just old set armor that was dyed. Remember Mummy's Rag? Aerolia boots? All those quest helmets? Those few untradable helms? They sets themselves apart from all other armor due to their unique color. If all armor remained undyed, then where is that feeling? Would you like it if that armor, which used to be a special color long ago, remains indistinguishable from any other leather armor except for its tag that says it's a set piece? I myself don't think so.

 

Once Adventurer Armour has been fixed, nobody will be buying the coloured versions. It's because there is a coloured version, that there is a market for it, and therefore high prices paid for it. Even if it was commercially available, it wouldn't be scamming, unless the seller was deliberately decieving the buyer of its availability and value. Then again, after it being commercially available, it would no longer be unique, and as a result, no longer worth any particular sum of liquid emeralds.

Until the demand drops due to the dyes being fixed, the value will remain high. Until the system is fixed, availability will remain low. As of now, it is not scamming - it's making a profit off of a collectible item.

 

Calling it right now, there will be a patch where the armor drops become dyed, and the collectible dyed versions become worthless.

But then after the patch, the UNDYED sets will be the collectible ones, and they'll sell for tons of LE!

 

You can un-dye leather armor tho

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I don't fully follow your line of thought there.

 

That's quite alright.

 

that reminded me, you can dye armor, its quite a hassle to do but is possible (it is illegal, or at least was in previous versions) but if you'll dye nether armor red no one will know.

 

How could anyone consider it a scam to sell the rare items? The value is in the buyers eyes, nobody forces you to pay a stack of le for a dyed set that you could get for 10eb undyed. If you see no value in the dyed, don't buy it. I personally highly value rare items, but I know people who couldn't care less about them. Also +1 to what @ElectroMantis said

 

Exactly, it opens up the possibility of scamming using that method. I wanted to avoid putting it in the OP to limit knowledge of such things.

Imagine if someone goes through all the trouble to get a class that's within the level range to get nether armor drops from mobs. This person would then dye the undyed armor the correct shade of red and pass it off as the legit thing. They would make stacks and stacks of LE from new nether dyed like old. This would also create a duping effect and kill the market for nether armor. The same thing could also be done with adventurer armor. It would be identical to old nether armor, so no one will know the difference. Who knows? Maybe some of the sets that were sold since Gavel's release were made out to be this way? :/

 

It wouldn't really matter about wearing it since we will get armour skins back.

 

Soon™, right?

 

Mhm.