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SPOILER The Inconsistency!

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by jpmrocks, Feb 6, 2016.

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Who is wrong?

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  4. You are, JPM

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  1. L179

    L179 *Insert original custom title here*

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    Sure thing mate. @SPYROHAWK
    According to the newly added item's lore detlas was created 60 or more years back . @jpmrocks made an assumption based off of the chraftmas chaos quest stating that since selchar was created 30 years ago it couldn't have been detlas's inspiration ("Sister City") thus something is wrong .
    Although from the dialogue in the same exact quest we see that , Tom (the guy who we speak to in the future , present , and past selchar ) lived there for 40 years.
    • Tom: Sorry, where are my manners? My name is Tom, I have been living here in Selchar for 40 years.
    Which obviously means selchar was created AT LEAST 40 years ago and that also means we don't have a date of it's creation . It could've been created hundreds of years ago as a village for all that we know and then they probably started adding to it and making it larger. So unless someone can PROVE that selchar in fact did NOT exist 60 years ago this is not an inconsistency . To prove an inconsistency like this you have to provide solid evidence and not just wild assumptions like : "No matter what, you don't go further back than -40," .
    If you answer with a counter-argument which also provides proof that selchar did not exist 60 years ago , i will be happy to accept defeat and this would actually be an inconsistency .
     
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  2. SPYROHAWK

    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    Ok I have not forgotten about this, but I need a few days probs to get some of the key data I need. Cuz I need to be able to get online and go back to past Selchar
     
  3. Kraby

    Kraby *insert clever meme* VIP+

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    tom was living in selchar for 40 years
    he wasnt born 40 years ago , you goof :3
     
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    DarkDemonDragon Sorta Veteran

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    Selchar was being created while Tom was 10. It didn't even have a functional bank, item traders, or merchants then. You're making the arguement even worse. Lets say Selchar took 60 years ago. This means it took 30 years to get to 10 years old Tom Selchar. 30 years to just frame out everything. So lets give Selchar the benefit of doubt and the finish building Selchar the day after. This means Detlas has 30 years for the founder to find Selchar, be inspired, and begin the contruction of Detlas. If Detlas was inspired by Selchar this means that after 30 years Detlas won't even be done.

    YOUR Timeline if your'e confused:
    (-60) Selchar begins to build
    (-30) Selchar is not even halfway done
    (-29.99) Detlas Begins contruction
    (0 - Present day) Detlas is halfway done.
    He's been living in Selchar all his life so same thing.
     
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  5. L179

    L179 *Insert original custom title here*

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    You dun goof'd.
    That is not my timeline and if u pay attention to my post i explained why selchar was still being built , pay attention to this:
    Which would explain the buildings that were not finished in the past selchar , but that's just a theory (based on facts but still). I have proven that selchar existed 40 years ago , i don't need to prove it existing 60 years ago . If you want to prove this inconsistency you have to provide SOLID proof and not just assumptions and show us that selchar wasn't there 60 years ago.
    Your timeline is wrong, really really wrong. Detlas didn't copy selchar and it was built 60+ years ago (the exact date is unknown ) it just got inspiration from it , for example the hourglass. Selchar was built 40+ years ago (the exact date is unkown again) making it possible for selchar to be created earlier than detlas , also just because detlas was inspired by selchar doesn't mean it needed 30 years to be built , your logic is wrong in so many ways and once Again the unfinished buildings can be explained by selchar expanding or just building new houses , the unfinished buildings are not a valid argument and if you actually took time to read my previous posts you would know that.
     
  6. jpmrocks

    jpmrocks A Lone Wanderer

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    So Tom says he's been living in Selchar for 40 years. You go back in time 30 years. Tom is now 10. Here, we can guess that Tom has been living Selchar his whole life, giving Selchar at least 40 years of it's life. We now know, for sure, that Selchar is at least 40 years old.
    At 40 years, the city of Selchar has about 3 houses completed, the hourglass building (no hourglass yet), and a tower. 5 buildings. The rest is being built.
    Now, the weapon Detlas' Legacy says that Detlas is at least 60 years old. Sister City then states that Detlas is inspired by Selchar.
    This is where the inconsistency comes in: If we do say Selchar is, let's just say, 100 years old, it still only has 5 buildings. Now, it seems very unlikely that these 5 completed buildings could inspire the one of the largest trading cities in Wynn, because if that was the case, then Nesaak could just as easily inspire Detlas, as it also has 3 houses, a tower, and another miscellaneous building. Or Maltic, as it has 3 houses, a tower, and another miscellaneous building.
     
  7. L179

    L179 *Insert original custom title here*

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    You see that's an assumption. Why can't it inspire detlas? Or why are you so sure it only had 5 houses maybe something happened , we don't know.
    Maybe the idea of a city in the middle of the ocean , a dock for trading ships coming from gavel and wynn , a place where traders can go to from both gavel and wynn inspired detlas and the hourglass was just put there to show that they got the idea of detlas from selchar , i mean detlas is exactly that , it's a central hub of wynn , a city for trading between villagers and humans just like selchar.
     
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    It was, remember how when you went back in time, Selchar was under construction?
     
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    Tey Potato Peeler

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    Am I the only one who's half-reading this because it's way too long?
     
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  10. jpmrocks

    jpmrocks A Lone Wanderer

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    You do need to prove that Selchar existed 60 years ago. We all are saying Selchar existed 40 years ago. 40 years ago, Selchar only had about 5 buildings, and it didn't even have the hourglass yet. Detlas' Legacy has one of it's founding buildings was built 60 years ago. That implies that there are multiple buildings. The word "many"'s definition is, according to Dictionary.com, "a large number of", with synonyms being "countless, an army, innumerable, crowds of, droves of". Traditionally, it means usually more than 5 - 6. This then implies that 60 years ago Detlas is a large city.
    If Selchar, 40 years ago, had 5 buildings, and was built, 100 years ago, for example, that means 100 years ago it has 5 buildings. These 5 buildings are a tower, a miscellaneous building, and 3 houses. Everything else was under construction.
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    Well, you dont gotta read my arguments past the OP, unless yer really curious to see how debate class goes :/
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    I'm saying these 5 buildings cant inspire Detlas because it doesn't make sense. Why Selchar then? It only has 5 buildings! Troms, Ragni, Nemract, and Nesaak were already completely built 100 years ago, why not get inspired from these completed, fortified cities, known for their large populations? Hell, Nemract was built TWICE, and Nesaak was screwed over by an angry wizard, and yet the people who built Detlas were inspired be Selchar? I wouldn't even say Selchar would be classified as a town with only 5 buildings, I personally would classify it as a settlement.
     
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  11. L179

    L179 *Insert original custom title here*

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    Read my posts before saying it couldn't inspire detlas because it only 5 buildings.
    "Many" wasn't even mentioned in the item's lore LOL. And as i said selchar could have shit all and could still be the inspiration of detlas.
    Definition of inspiration:
    1.the process of being mentally stimulated to do or feel something, especially to do something creative
    Builders could have been mentally stimulated by the idea . You guys are confusing inspiration with copying.
     
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    jpmrocks A Lone Wanderer

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    By that logic, Detlas couldve been inspired by the snow that fell on Selchar.
     
  13. L179

    L179 *Insert original custom title here*

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    Don't over-exaggerate .
     
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    jpmrocks A Lone Wanderer

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    But it's inspirational?
     
  15. L179

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    Sure but not for a city , context has meaning too.
     
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    jpmrocks A Lone Wanderer

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    Yes, and in what context does 3 houses, a tower, and a miscellaneous building have in the construction of one of Wynn's largest trading city, complete with a military barracks, a bank, residential area, commercial area, giant bells, airport, and hour glass?
     
  17. L179

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    Look , i'm gonna say this one last time . Selchar is the inspiration meaning detlas did not copy it's design from selchar it just got the idea from it.
    Read the bloody definition of the word if you want. As i said the idea of a trading hub so useful like selchar could be what inspired detlas and unlike bloody snow that can actually inspire builders to create cities , so stop with the shitty excuse that 5 houses and a tower can't inspire shit . There's also the possibility of a natural disaster that caused buildings to get destroyed.
    There are many ways to explain this , so that argument isn't valid either .
     
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    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    Oh, those guys in the ocean put a roof OVER the walls
    Seems like a decent idea
    Let's do that
     
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  19. XavierEXE

    XavierEXE ♪ Wynncraft's Composer and Ability Tree Lead ♫ ♪ Music Item Team CHAMPION

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    You guys are arguing about this stuff and there is still no counter-argument to my idea.

    1) Detlas is built, but is small and not completely finished, a trading post, if you will.
    2) The founding building of Detlas mysteriously burns down.
    3) Selchar is built.
    4) The citizens of Detlas take inspiration from Selchar and build an hourglass in their now almost finished city.

    We also need to consider THE OTHER possibilities:

    1) The staff messed up the lore
    2) We're overthinking this
    3) It was a typo
     
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    Kahsol Local Serial Liker CHAMPION

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    THIS IS NOT UNDERTAAAAAAALE
     
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