Archer, Nerf Or Stay? (as Staying The Same As Is)

Many people have stated that archer needs a nerf, and many have agreed and disagreed, what do you think?

 

It's got high damage and low health. Perfectly balanced imo.

 

The only change it needs is for Grade III's Bomb Arrow's damage after the first bounce to be cut in half each time it bounces. Archers instantly kill me with bomb arrow after it bounces 3 times, dealing the exact same damage each time. Arrow storm should also deal knockback in PvP.

Otherwise I have no problems with it.

 

only reason why archer needs a nerf, is becaues mage HAS to be the best class, wanna know why? because im a mage.

 

Like said above, archer may be one of the more balanced classes. People only look at damage, not the fact that they can't really fight close range well. Archers have a lot less defense than any of the other classes. I have heard that archer is powerful in PvP, but I'm pretty sure classes are balanced around PvE, not PvP. I would however, like to hear why people think archer is unbalanced. Personally, a feel archer is more balanced than say, assassin or mage, but whatever. I'm sure in time everything will balance itself out.

 

If you fight close range, arrow storm WILL kill. All of the arrows will easily hit there. I'm a warrior and whenever I charge to them to try and kill, the following happens:
1. Archer dodges
2. Arrow storm, all arrows hit me as -70%ish walk speed OP
3. Mana steal means they have full mana again, so if I didn't die then I'm dying now
It's stupid. Really, archer just needs more knockback and arrow storm will be a bit more balanced.

For everyone arguing "but low defense!!!!" agility completely negates that due to the high chance for a dodge. If I hit them, yeah it's an easy kill - I dealt almost 10k to an archer once - but the agi + arrow storm means I'm pretty much dead if my attack doesn't connect. It's a hard counter to anyone with a slow attack speed. Agility needs a nerf really, something like making it not work under spells.

In PvE it's a lot more balanced but they can still rip bosses to shreds. Much of what I covered in PvP works for PvE but due to attack speed not really mattering it's a bit less OP.

 

Archer is fine in normal, PvE wynncraft in my opinion, maybe arrow storm is a bit much but I personally don't do much damage with it.

But... in the nether, archer, agility and walkspeed all need to be nerfed tbh. They're all pretty ridiculous, archer can one-shot you with any ability, maxed agility will mean you can be invincible 70% of the time, and walkspeed makes it ridiculously difficult to hit with any of the other three classes.

 

Weolcan, you miss one element of it though, in order for an archer to do that, it has to avoid being hit and killed by you, and with the archer's low health, pulling it off without being uppercut/war screamed/other is very challenging. I honestly don't care for arrow storm, nerf it all it needs.

What you seem to be pointing out is a conflict where one build is more op than another. If you think about it, it's a conflict to what build to choose.

 

The issue isn't that the 'high damage low health' aspect doesn't balance out the class. It's that the damage is a bit too high for what the health reduction is. Their damage needs to be nerfed somewhat, or their defenses need to be lowered a bit further to compensate. At least, that's how everyone talks about it.

 

PvP is not a huge part of Wynncraft.
So because of that, nerfing a class just to make it so other classes can beat it in PvP would be stupid.

Arrow Storm alredy has ridiculous knock back, you have to trap your enemy up agaisnt a wall or only about 33% of your arrows will hit.

I see agillity as the problem, not archer class itself. Being able to complety dodge a hit because of luck is just.....
I tihnk that the abillity should be reoworked, even tho I'm not sure how to it should be changed without making it useless.

 

NERF THIS CLASS ...or buff other classes

 

Congratulations. You successfully yelled at people without giving a good reason. Seriously, contrary to popular belief, yelling at people does not always get you what you want.

 

Most likely he had a reason, but I believe this thread has allowed me to come to a conclusion that many people believe this does not need a nerf. Shouting the statement that you think it should be nerfed won't do any good xD

 

No, just no

 

Honestly to me arrow storm is near useless in fights if only 30% of the arrows hit and then the enemy is miles infront of me. Helps to act as a riot control however.

 

Arrow Storm is only good if you've cornered an enemy- PvP was never the main purpose for this server anyway- so your point? Agility is a moot point because its available to all classes- So what if someone has a better agility build than you? That's because of how they use their skill points. Stop complaining about it. I agree sometimes the bomb spell can be to much with its bounce, that may need to be nerfed- but the possibility of it actually hitting all 3 times is really low- the reason its their is so you can do more of an AOE attack. Most anything can take out an archer because of its low defense and health, it just has to get close enough to hit it. So no, i don't feel the class needs to be changed- and the only change i would consider OK would be the bomb bounce.

 

Since archer is mainly OP in the nether, I vote we wait until intelligence is fixed, and see how it changes things.

 

Well said. Archers are so mobile and can keep running away easily and just decimate you from afar.

Exactly.

People say "low health" or "low defence" but items such as sagitarius, libra, etc (well rounded out elemental def) counter act this so hard as SO many items are just perfect for archer builds. Currently a lvl 95 warrior and I'm struggling to figure out how to be a massive tank without having to destroy my damage completely.