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Gravity Rant

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by Gigavern, Nov 18, 2016.

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  1. Gigavern

    Gigavern Giant Fern VIP+

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    As you all know, Gravity is one of the strongest chestplates in the game. The following will compare it to Hetusol, a chestplate of similar lvl, yet one that is outclassed by Gravity completely.

    HP - Gravity has 700 more health.
    Element Defense Total - Gravity has 1250 more net element defense.
    Lifesteal + Regen - Gravity has 33 more when comparing total.
    Mana Steal + Mana Regen - Hetusol has 1/4 more when comparing total.
    Speed - Hetusol gets -7 in comparison to -14.
    Additionally, Gravity gets 46% Thorns and 46% Reflection at max, to contrast Hetusol's 91% regen, which being a percent almost doesn't do anything.
    Gravity's only weakness which is the chance to have negative atk speed only happens half of the time. Gravity's skill point requirements also should not be considered a weakness, as it can be built well with other items that boost element defense and skill points. Just a statement and truth - Gravity is way too overpowered or Hetusol is underpowered.
     
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  2. Pokextreme

    Pokextreme Avos Air Archer HERO

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    well, for that 50 in EVERY Skill point, you basically need to go for a rainbow build, which isn't a req for Hetusol, and you group regen/steal... why ;-;
     
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    Snerp Grand Terrainer Modeler HERO Builder

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    As a hetusol user, buff hetusol c;
     
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    Gigavern Giant Fern VIP+

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    Gravity, while taxing, has a good build around it with Morph Stardust, Gravity, Hephaestus-Forged Greaves, Fermion, 2x Prisms, Morph Ruby and Morph Amethyst. Additionally, the mindset is if you run a rainbow build, you pretty much have to use Gravity.
     
  5. Grand_Tuna12

    Grand_Tuna12 That guy who sucks at pvp HERO

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    i clicked on this thinking u were going to bitch about the force of gravity
    now i feel like a total dumbass
     
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    WithTheFish Internet Macrocelebrity

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    I feel like 1/3 of all end-game builds use gravity

    It's just that tanky

    And because of this more people use poison builds. rip
     
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    Blizzardgale Famous Adventurer VIP

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    Gravity is meant for elemental defense and Hetusol is meant for health regen.

    You really cannot compare the two since their functions are completely different. Also, you mentioned that Gravity has more health regen. It does have higher flat health regen, but Hetsuol can reach up to 91% of health regen. Basically, Hetsuol is miserable on its own. It needs to be paired with something else having high flat hp regen in order to perform well.

    But I can see your point about Hetusol being not as good. It's just that the current meta with rainbow defense leans towards Gravity, rather than high hp regen tanks.
     
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    Gigavern Giant Fern VIP+

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    Hetusol has higher Regen but Gravity's lifesteal plus regen combined is higher than Hetusol's combined. Also note how percent regen boosts default and not raw regen, which makes it negligible.
     
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    Blizzardgale Famous Adventurer VIP

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    Lifesteal and the health regen on Gravity are practically useless. Let's say you regenerate 170 hp every four seconds, and steal 150 hp every ten seconds. (Assuming that you don't attack mobs every second) That's 320 hp every four seconds, or 80 hp a second. Do you realize how long it would take to get 10k hp, which is the average amount of hit points for endgame. As I stated before, the % regen needs to be complemented with flat hp regen in order to work well, and 91% is huge.



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    Also, you got your math wrong by saying that Gravity has 33 more health regen when the lifesteal and health are combined. You forgot to take into account Hetusol's percent regen!

    Gravity: 195+163=358 max
    Hetusol: 325*1.91=620.75 max

    Hetsuol is clearly better in terms of regeneration.
     
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    Percent regen is bad, because it multiplies DEFAULT and not BASE regen, which means it hardly boosts regen.
     
  11. pretzellover33

    pretzellover33 Eater of pretzul- ahem, Pretzels HERO

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    Comparing Gravity to Hetusol alone is just an extremely weak argument. I think both chestplates are both perfectly fine because they serve completely different purposes.
     
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    However I have to admit that your point about their different uses and the meta-game is very very true, which can justify their disparity.
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    Btw Percent regen doesn't affect Hetusol's raw regen, because it affects Default Regen which is before you put on armor.
     
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    Jbip yea QA GM

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    And then there's me and my Libra
     
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    Gigavern Giant Fern VIP+

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    Well I mean Libra has like 450 Element Def total, and its element dmg bonus is relatively low in comparison to the difference between Gravity and its element defense... and most use Gravity over Libra... but still its cool.
     
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    I think Morph Stardust, Gravity, Gemini, Gaea-Hewn Boots, 2x Prisms, Clock Amulet, and Prowess is a better gravity build it has 705 average base def, 13 slots, 13950 health, and 74% average defense.
    I myself hate that Attack Speed get's randomized like any other stat, it on average is about +115%(7/6) increase to melee damage, something like this should not be left up to chance. If it was up to me to balance Gravity I would make it have a base -2 Attack Tier Speed, but have 45 stat req as an offset.
     
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    Same. I assumed he was gonna say something about gravity annoying with mobs and pvp or something and it should be changed :_:
     
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    TO THE VIP PLAZA!
     
  18. Grand_Tuna12

    Grand_Tuna12 That guy who sucks at pvp HERO

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    Damn, i was about to say this same thing.
     
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    Concerning health regen% and raw health regen, are you saying that health regen% does not effect raw health regen and it only effects default regen? Because if so, that strikes me as something unintended, look at the melee/spell damage% and raw melee/spell damage IDs for example, they synergize with each other perfectly, it makes no sense for health regen% and raw health regen to not synergize when other IDs that follow the same formula do synergize. @Selvut283 , is health regen% not effecting raw health regen intentional? Because if it isn't, I think we have a bug that needs fixing.

    On the topic of your rant, as others have mentioned, these are two very different items and directly comparing them is a bit ridiculous:
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    Hetusol is a very raw tanky chestplate keeping the user alive with high health regen, while Gravity is a more utility-based elemental tank item.

    Even though you said the skill point requirements is not a weakness, it may not be difficult to get to with a blue mask, sure, but Gravity essentially locks you to rainbow builds for the most part, Hetusol allows for more flexibility allowing to be combined with other builds offensively. (I say offensively because it obviously won't go well with Thunder and Earth defensively)

    Except that Gravity doesn't even have mana regen.

    Also, directly comparing mana regen and mana steal to me is a little rash, now before you say anything, despite both IDs being the same in what they do to mana, (boosting it in different fashions), They are quite different gameplay-wise, mana regen guarantees you mana every 4 seconds, while mana steal is more combat-oriented involving luck to steal mana, both of them have their benefits depending on how a user combats their enemies, but if your luck is at a @XavierEXE level (Hint: that's not a good thing) then mana regen is the superior ID, the same can be said for Health regen and Health steal.

    As I said earlier, both of them have their uses, but Hetusol's is a little dampened by the wonky synergy of health regen% and raw health regen.
     
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