SPOILER Eldritch Outlook seal n lore n stuff

At the end of A Journey Further, we have to "sacrifice a powerful soul," in order to open the entrance to the Eldritch Outlook. I looked through the wiki but couldn't find any explanation as to how or why it was sealed in a way that requires us to sacrifice Aledar.
I thought that perhaps Bob could've had something to do with it - he did go to Dern to seal the dern beast from my understanding. However, Bob was almost certainly stronger than we are when we defeat the Eye. I have no doubt he could've killed the Eye in our place, even if he was getting old. And it seems to me that the Eye was put in the EO almost immediately after Bak'al is defeated by Bob, so it was definitely there by the time he made his way to Dern. Bob is still the most likely explanation for it being sealed IMO. If we stretch a little, we can extrapolate Bob's power of being able to seal his letter to Nilrem up to being able to seal the gate (See the side note). But there isn't enough motive for me to think it's logical.

That lead me to thinking perhaps it was Bak'al who sealed the entrance, but I can't think of a potential reason for him to have done that. I don't think we have enough information on him to know if he is capable of such a thing either. The Eye might have done it, but once again I'm not sure why. It basically invites us in whenever we kill a key guardian, so what would be the point of sealing the gate?
So that leaves me wondering, how? How did the entrance get sealed off. Who did it, and why? Did the CT working on that quest just really not like Aledar for some reason? Maybe Fruma will give us some explanation, or Dern after, if it ever comes. Maybe I'm just focusing on something that doesn't actually need to be explained.

Side note: Since the gate requires a powerful soul in order to be unlocked, I think it's logical that it would take a powerful soul to have been sealed off. I would've included this with Bob at the top, but there's plenty of crazy things in Wynn so it's not like it's the only possible way it could've been sealed. I also doubt that Bob would've killed himself to seal the gate without having tried to battle with the Eye first.

Any thoughts?

 

I always thought of it as he tried to battle the eye but was incapable of doing so, so he had to seal it away. Remember that we do beat Bob’s reincarnation, he is not actually as powerful as us

 

+1 although it feels underwhelming I always felt like the story hints towards Bob not getting past the eye, he was past his prime after all.

But on the other hand I feel like it that blood splatter around the sword was actually Bob, there'd be more of an indication for it, but then we go back to the question : who set this up and when?

Maybe Bob wasn't alone, and whoever this mysterious partner was stayed behind Bob to sacrifice themselves and seal the influence of the eye and / or prevent anyone from following him into Dern for whatever reason.

I'm thinking the seal also seals the eye's power because, what does it even do actually? Besides being "worshipped" by wynn excavation / secret societies and cults all over. The silent expanse's secret tells us that it is supposed to spread the will of the dern beast and drain the hope of humanity yet it doesn't seem like it is doing that which makes me believe the seal prevents it from doing so, this would explain why the eye wants you to come to the dungeon, it needs the seal broken to exert its influence.

So keeping that in mind Bob might have realized he was not strong enough and decided to seal away the eye in hopes someone, or some ones considering the dungeon's a proto-raid, strong enough to defeat it would come. That or he decided to kill two birds with one stone, asking someone to seal it with their life in case he wasn't successful in vanquishing the dern beast.

Sorry if it's a bit messy lol

 

That is true. But tbf I think it's safe to assume that Bob's reincarnation isn't at the same strength as original Bob. He had mastered the four combat arts, which is something the player can't do. Although that is still pre 2.0 fighting. I still think Bob was stronger than us, but I do see your point.

I did look around the gate, and there is this skeleton holding a pickaxe which we use to crack through the spike barrier in A Journey Further. He's probably just a random miner, but i think it was worth bringing up.

(Thanks to the random guy who was in that section of the quest when i got there, or else i probably wouldve spent a lot longer looking around)

I did consider that it sealed the Eye's power. But it does still have influence in at least Fantastic Voyage, i don't remember if it appears in other quests. But tbf that place is strongly implied to be Dern or at least heavily corrupted by it, so I suppose it would make sense for the Eye to have influence there. The lines the Eye says in the quest do make it seem like this has happened before (Probably also just Bob being Bob).

 

Very probably a random miner, keep in mind the sacrifice fucking obliterates Aledar. Plus he's in greedy miner who died of hubris position not heroic selfless sacrifice position.

Well fantastic voyage is complicated, I'm tempted to say we take a stroll in Dern, with the portal and whatnot, and you could say the eye we see is the other one, still attached to the beast but it's odd that there's such a focus on that one eye, when he banishes Relend to the shadow realm for example. Still that might be for buildup reasons.

Wait actually that quest might complicate things, if bob entered Dern through gateway island, how could he have been to the outlook? Maybe he exited the same way we did and had to come up with another plan? And this time with someone to seal the way back? We might be dealing with outdated lore tho.

I briefly considered the olm might have put the seal there but the timeline doesn't add up. And I doubt it was the miners / twains for the same reason.

 

have the twains been to the expanse

has BOB been to the expanse
then again bob lore is very unclear about certain things

the dagger in the ground uses (or at least used) the same model as Bob's.

 

The twains have probably not gone to the expanse but they're powerful magic users so I had to consider them.

We don't know for Bob, maybe he did maybe he didn't but he had to go to dern (strongly implied at least) somehow.

 

Bob did not go through the Silent Expanse.

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Not a good piece of evidence for this claim

 

wuh?
I thought the sacrificial shrine with the black+green dagger, the seal, and ancient wynnic text in chat after you break it was strongly implying that Bob created it.

 

That's what makes more sense keeping fantastic voyage in mind good to have it confirmed.

I guess the seal could be the olm trying to keep the beast out. They were running around for solutions and could see what was to come, which we learn in their secret discoveries and all and they speak ancient wynnic. And since no one beat / tried to beat the eye (that I remember) before us the timeline would add up.
The blade is still weird, somewhat.

 

another question: how did Aledar & Elphaba KNOW that it needed a soul??

 

That's kinda what my brain was thinking, but who knows how right it is or not though LMAO. The gateway was probably possibly maybe built by the olm / whoever was in charge of building the EO as a whole pre-eye-placement.
I think, now that Bob's weapons and the dernic weapons are separate designs, the blade coulda been set up by.. uh.. anyone I guess lol.

 

Considering elphaba and aledar knew that the eye was sealed it was prob sealed by whoever was sent to explore the expanse whenever it was rediscovered

 

i just had another thought: the light pillar thing in lutho (i can't remember the name of it) perhaps had something to do with it? I haven't looked into it yet, so it could be completely irrelevant. But since there is an amount of influence the light has in the SE, then maybe at some point it sealed the entrance as well. There's also a second one a bit closer to the entrance, but it's a dark version. Perhaps it was sent there to seal the entrance, but then it got corrupted by Dern? And we don't have to question either sides motives for that, so it seems plausible to me.
(As an aside, i am not particularly knowledgeable about wynncraft's lore. This is just some guy theorizing out loud for the whole class to join in on)
Idk why Orphion wouldn't tell us about it tho (Did Orphion ever mention the expanse? I think i remember the RoL questline saying that the realm of dark had broken through to wynn, but i could be misremembering. I definitely don't remember anything implying the existence of the expanse but i have terrible memory sometimes)

I feel like there's still a lot missing here though.

 

Orphion didn't tell us about it since he fails to mention anything that could possibly prevent a major crisis....

 

If the Light had a larger hand in SE than just the Obelisk in Lutho the amount of Corruption in the Expanse would be far more than just the measly bit seen beneath the Lutho Obelisk where Light and Dark touch

 

I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. If the light had a larger hand beyond just the obelisk in lutho, wouldn't that have prevented some of the corruption? Or am i just misunderstanding your comment?

 

No. When Light and Dark touch, it creates Corruption. If there is more Light mixing with Darkness, there will be more Corruption.

 

Is there corruption in ROL then as well as decay, or is it just corruption or just decay

 

Ohhhhhhh
yeah i never realized that. ig i thought corruption was completely different. Good to know