why do people hate assassin?

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I think heavy melee has gotten significantly more difficult for assassin but spell based and tstack builds probably have an easier time of it. (At least speaking from my experience, which is my previously viable heavy melee build becoming too glassy to live even with trickster and my tstack build basically being fine with shadestepper)

 

Unless I'm doing something wrong, violent vortex and stronger vortex seem impossible to proc without satsujin, which has a 30 sec cooldown, as opposed to vortex's 2 sec cooldown. That seems to me to need a little more tweaking.

The only other issue I have with Assassin is that they changed dash in 2.0 to literally give no additional momentum if you use it for a second time in midair. Pre-2.0 dash in the air would propel you as many times as you use it, but now only the first dash propels you. Personally, I find it really restricting and clunky when compared to the other classes' movement spells in 2.0. I get that different classes should have unique movement spells, but the change feels a little unnecessary.

 

sorry for not replying to everyone in this comment section because im lazy.
one thing to note is some of my states were serious but oftentime they were joke entailed so don't get triggered on me XD. that archangel stuff was clearly joke and in case you didn't noticed ill say it loud and clear. ARCHANGEL IS FINE AS IT IS. good? can we move on now? also for those who's saying shadestepper damage is fine, well in terms of single burst damage indeed thats true. but that burst damage isnt just high enough to catch up other classes's dps. anyways don't get hate on me guys XD.

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can we have a meeting at For Honor so we can further discuss about my skill issues? thanks in advance.

 

Agreed, and I there are ways to rework with a cooldown in mind. For example something like a vanish energy bar(they already have the UI built for acolyte) that drains when you use vanish but recharges otherwise would prohibit vanish camping but give the player more control. From what I’ve seen at least in the hive, the aggro AI is good enough that the mob can relock its aggro almost immediately when the player exits vanish.

Shadestepper especially gets traded 9 times out of 10 even when trying to disengage immediately because dash without vanish is insanely vulnerable. Using vanish is punishing because you’re almost guaranteed to be traded by the boss after a backstab

I do think there are some ways to rework vanish so as to restrict the specific vanish camping scenarios that the devs are trying discourage, while still giving the player the ability to control when best to vanish deaggro so it isn’t such a punishing ability to use.

 

Honestly Assassin feels weak compared to the other classes but it feels balanced.

 

Agreed. Also, like mentioned above, acrobat has incredible potential as well, while shadestepper can deal a TON of single target dmg - you basically clap down your enemies one by one while refreshing vanish each time. Sounds like perfect for a heavy melee.
And tbh, no cooldown vanish was absolutly broken and needed to be nerfed.

 

Yeah assassin isn’t bad it’s just flat outclassed in every way right now. For this particular example of heavy melee, a mythicless twains arc build gets 200k snipes on every shot, whereas anvil crawler hits like 127k full marked satsujin backstab (quake gives like 390k but you can only quake on every 4th burst of the cycle and you need it on the satsu hit so it slows down gameplay). Plus in my experience marked and good vanish cycles are difficult to sustain for the high spell costs of heavy melee on shade whereas this is less of a problem for archer.

 

Assassin main here, I've tried all archetypes and I can say that acrobat has a very low dps even paired with smoke bomb and bloom.
Compared to archer which can reach 100k dps or all shaman archetypes, acrobat's dps is close to none.
I agree you can stay up in the air forever literally but doing that, your dps won't be even close to half the dps of the classes stated above

 

As acrobat you can go fully offensive since you take way less hits which makes you deal damage near permanently. Due to this acrobat might still be outclassed by other classes but can deal a lot of damage while everyone else needs to dodge a spell. Jasmine bloom also deals a good amount of AOE damage that can get rid of the other mobs so the players can focus on the boss.

 

I think people are also ignoring the fact that you can use Righting Reflex to attack with Lacerate and Multihit as well (there's a reason why Acrobat has multihit upgrades!!)

 

Playing acrobat just needs a ton of practice until it gets good and not everyone does understand it. It also does really help to have someone to heal you in case you get low.

 

i think its that acrobat is hard to learn and really even with the multihit with righting reflex its not as strong as it should be

 

Imo lacerate range should get a increase it's currently way too close imo