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Hmmm, how much does a normal Wynn/Gavel citizen make, like how many emeralds do they usually have.

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  1. CommanderKastro

    CommanderKastro Well-Known Adventurer

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  2. DaCorruption

    DaCorruption Serves Dern.

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    Depends on the profession.
    Wynn is generally poorer than Gavel and is also most likely a medieval farm economy. Not to mention that it's ravaged by war, so most of the jobs in Wynn don't make much income, except maybe a merchant in Selchar or Nemract since all the trade from Gavel goes through those two cities.
    The most profitable position in Wynn is definitely king though, I can imagine the King of Ragni and the King of Troms are both very rich individuals (maybe not the King of Troms considering the whole WynnExcavation stuff going on). The bandits in Rymek and Almuj are also most likely very wealthy.
    A "normal citizen" in Wynn is most likely either a conscript or a farmer. As I've said Wynn is pretty backwards when it comes to progress and it's under attack by the Corruption so, it's a miserable life. Your crops could be taken by criminals or by the Corruption, and you'd likely have very little surplus produce that you can actually sell.

    So yeah you're fucked if you're not a merchant, a bandit or a monarch. The average Wynn citizen wouldn't have more than like 8 liquid emeralds.

    Gavel's a different story.
    Gavel is super wealthy, and prides itself as the most advanced and rich province in the world (which it likely is). Of course there's places in the province where life is still miserable, maybe even worse than in Wynn (see the Decayed areas like the Olux Swamp, Dark Forest and the Kander Forest), where you can barely even farm because the terrain is so bad and where you're under threat of being kidnapped and turned into an iron golem at any time. We literally get a Secret Discovery that tells us just how poor Olux has become, so yeah, pretty bad situation overall.
    Gavel is also quite magical, and as we've seen in another secret discovery in the Llevigar Plains they sometimes use that magic to make their lives easier when it comes to farming etc. So I can imagine the average Gavellian farmer has a pretty modest life.
    I could see merchants in Gavel being rich and greedy, especially in Llevigar since most of the trade goes through there. They'd be wealthier than their Wynn counterparts for sure, no need to squander your money in stuff like keeping yourself safe from Corruption or from undead hordes.
    We also literally see the Dwarves' immense hoard of wealth in The Thanos Vaults, so...

    Yeah a Gavel citizen would be way better off than a Wynn citizen, assuming you don't live in the decayed areas. The more "upper class" citizens would probs have several stacks of LE, a normal citizen maybe 32-48 LE.
     
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  3. DatMoonGamer

    DatMoonGamer Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    mfw the average gavel citizen has more money than i do
     
  4. The Fool

    The Fool Nobody Wants to Know Him HERO

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  5. WithTheFish

    WithTheFish Internet Macrocelebrity CHAMPION

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    nah, judging by how their city looks they have a good taste in art
     
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  6. creature

    creature Uncorrupt, so possibly serving Dern VIP

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    I mostly agree with this, think the money estimate is wayyyyy of though.

    I'll add onto this that it largely depends on species. Elves probably don't even really use cash in their own society, and I don't think Hobbits use it either. Looking at the kinds of buildings they live in despite being able to quickly create things like "the ultimate weapon", which can be sold to villagers for up to 7 LE.
    I don't think violent species like Orcs have much more money than they drop on death either. Which is probably just stolen from Villagers and Humans. Dwarves are probably quite rich on average, as should Villagers from the wealthier villages be. Aside from kings (and blacksmiths/horse merchants lmao), none are as rich as the player though I don't think.

    We know that housing doesn't really cost many emeralds and is mostly paid for in materials because of the housing system.

    I'd argue that the best place for looking at how many emeralds a wealthy but not special citizen in Gavel would have, the best place to look at is the kinds of quests where you do things for/with money that other people could also do.

    In the quest "One thousand meters under" several Villagers from the wealthy neighbourhood of Ahmsord (Where the quests pay well) group up with you to risk their lives for a payout of 2 LE.
    In another quest from Ahmsord (The Hero of Gavel), you need to gather some items from Siegfried. iirc there is a person saying they've saved up for 1 or 5 years or smth to be able to buy the collectors items to get chosen to go on an adventure with Siegfried. These three super rare collectors items cost 3 LE together. The person saying they've saved up for so long is unable to afford them all. We, the player, are the only one who can buy them all. So even these very wealthy 'normal' people can not bring themselves to lose just 3 LE to do the thing they want to do most. So they have less money than that.

    In Llevigar we're being pretty explicitly ripped off for the service we provided of saving the town due to being a foreign and not-so-legal workforce, and it makes sense for the people there to be a little more wealthy. But I really do think that 3 LE is the most a wealthy Villager would have. In poorer towns like Olux, probably not even 32 EB.
    Dwarves from the bazaar maybe a bit more, Government officials (like Kings but also Bankers which are probs governmental in Wynncraft), Group leaders (Ankou from Tower of Ascension, Amadel from Wynnexcavation), and Shadow organisations (like behind Siegfried, or Iron Golem factory) or big monster (The Eye) are excluded here. They differ quite a bit in what they can have. And probably have a lot more than they show.

    As for Wynn, less than that.
    Assuming you don't count the Silent Expanse as a part of 'Wynn', because that place is an Eldritch Horror of a place which has been disconnected from the province for basically your entire playthrough, the most you ever got from someone who isn't a government official, group leader, or shadow organisation, or Big Monster, is 1 LE. Which is from Worid, after you robbed a bank for them and they just give you back 1/64 of the LE you gave them. (Bank itself counts as government here imo). If you don't count that (Because you gave Worid the money yourself), the most a single person gives you is 1024 e, a quarter of an LE.


    Corkus seems richer, but you get all the money >1 LE from government officials (other than maybe Envoy Part I, where I think you just randomly get money at the end of the quest). So quests aren't a good way to find that out.


    The one exception I can think of for "government offical, group leader, shadow organisation, or big monster" is Aledar from A Journey Further, but they are a big shot adventurer, like you are as the Player. So them having a lot of money makes sense. They have 10 LE. Which is all they have.
     
  7. The Demon Queen

    The Demon Queen Queen of Darkness, Queen of Evil CHAMPION

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    a lot of quest rewards claim 32eb as a large sum of money
     
  8. chewies

    chewies i like purple box VIP+

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    The dwarven theater costs 1eb to attend, assuming that is the same cost as the price of a movie theater ticket, we can set up the conversion that 1eb = $12. $12/hr is around minimum wage in the US, so the average dwarf probably makes around 1-2eb/hr. Similarly, the people in poorer places (Olux, Nemract) would make a much lower amount, perhaps only a few emeralds an hour while the people in richer places (Llevigar) are probably making a bit more. It’s not a perfect estimate since wages probably aren’t a thing in Rodoroc, but nobody seems to have brought up the theater entry fee yet.

    An hour irl is roughly the same as 1 minute in-game, so the amount of money a player makes at the start (a few emeralds a minute) is comparable to the average wage of a poorer citizen while endgame players can easily make 1-8eb a minute ($96/hr or $200k/year) just by grinding ingredients without bombs or totems. Finding a good mythic is like winning the lottery, a discoverer sells for around 14stx, which is around $700k by our conversions. If we convert Elon Musk’s net worth to le, he would have around 5.7k stx.

    Edited for calculation errors
     
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  9. CommanderKastro

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    I assume you mean 700m
     
  10. chewies

    chewies i like purple box VIP+

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    14stx * 64 * 64 * 12 gives $688,128, unless I made a mistake in my calculations?
     
  11. CommanderKastro

    CommanderKastro Well-Known Adventurer

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    well er 1-5 le cant be 8 mil/wynn year right?

    edit: how does an hour irl one minute in-game? according to wynncraft wiki, you get 1 soul point per wynn day (which follows Minecraft 20 min day/night cycle) so its 72 days in wynn per irl day.
     
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  12. ocu

    ocu penguin gang CHAMPION

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  13. SpikyParka560

    SpikyParka560 Actual Insane Person CHAMPION

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    You all are wrong. Zhight Island has the best income.
     
  14. chewies

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    1 minute in wynn = 1/20 of a Minecraft day
    1 hour irl = 1/24 of an irl day

    And you have to remember that it's endgame players who can consistently make 1-5le/hr, these are the players who have gone through all the "lower wages" before lvl 100, similar to how someone who makes 8mil/year irl has seen some significant success in their careers to actually reach that point.
     
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    CommanderKastro Well-Known Adventurer

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    I feel like this is a bad comparison considering 1/20 isn’t close to 1/24 and over time, this will make a noticeable different, I think that 1-5 le made per 3 Wynn days is better
    Unless I misinterpreted this
     
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    No, the villagers don't drop their life savings when you kill them.
     
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    JaydonTheWarrior Nerf tanks, buff warrior. HERO

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    YOU'RE WRONG.
    If we look at stealing, we know the maximum we can get from any Villager is 5 emeralds.
    This means at any given time we know Villagers have an average of 5 emeralds in their pockets.
    Uhh, something something about the average pocket money someone has, something something about the amount of money someone has in savings, something something about scaling them.
     
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    Shit Now I---I mean he can't get rich
     
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    brilliantknight The Lucky Lootrunner.

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    that also explains why in the gavel lootruns we can get mythics (except SE/Olmic lands)
     
  20. 3DBlockz

    3DBlockz Skilled Adventurer

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    Probs 69,420 a year
    Before taxes
     
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