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Any Class Help Build Coach? | Mage | Shaman | Archer

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  1. Pear (Unused)

    Pear (Unused) Random Funness CHAMPION

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    ~Help Requested!~

    Hey, I've been playing this game for four years and I still have no clue how to make a decent build. All of my builds are trash, and it's extremely apparent when I can beat literally no one my level at level 104-105. I would really appreciate it if someone could teach me how to make a good build... at this point I'm desperate.​

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    Mage
    I really want my Mage to be a spellspam build because I enjoy supporting others like that... It's level 105 and I have a Lament as my main weapon, but the rest of my armor and jewelry just don't do much. If I could know what combinations of stats make a good build like that, or even for when I get to be a high enough tailor or armorer if I could know what the best ingredients to add to something would be, that would be awesome.

    Shaman
    I honestly have no clue what I want my Shaman to be. It's level 104 currently but the build I have is awful. I love using the Time Rift I have, and I want to see if there's a good shaman build for that. If not, I'd like to know what my other options are. I also would love to have a primarily healing shaman like my mage. Maybe something with the thunder element too?

    Archer
    My Archer is probably my most powerful of the three I have above level 100. I think having a speed / agility build would be really cool, and I really want to use Double Vision. If that isn't possible, I'd still love to see my other options.

    Eventually I may have questions about Assassin and Warrior, but they're still low level and I'd like to just focus on these three for now. Thank you <3
     
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    DeltaWave I miss cancelstack VIP

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    an option for archer
    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0pc0l-0D407W09q09q0tz0ty0IS0D0b21-y2M1g00001007lU
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Third Eye
    > Soarfae
    > Dark Shroud
    > Capricorn
    > Black Catalyst
    > Black Catalyst
    > Double Vision
    > Amanuensis
    > Gale's Force [a6a6a6]
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    shaman is worse at healing compared to mage, so you will have a better time going for poison or a time rift build
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    as you already have a lament, i will post some builds here
    a full healer option:
    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_07R0K70Jl0n60OK0OQ0OL0880Qk-Y-Y221l0e1g00001004fI
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Cancer֎
    > Soulflare
    > Eden-Blessed Guards
    > Statue
    > Diamond Hydro Ring
    > Diamond Solar Ring
    > Diamond Solar Bracelet
    > Charm of the Tides
    > Lament [w6w6w6]
    an option with some dmg:
    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0Au0RZ0r507W0t80K20TN0og0Qk060s221I1D1g00001004fI
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Cumulonimbus
    > Medeis
    > Vaward
    > Capricorn
    > Yang
    > Moon Pool Circlet
    > Dragon's Eye Bracelet
    > Tenuto
    > Lament [w6w6w6]
    an option with a lot of dmg:
    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_07F05W0uX0Qx0GQ0K20K40OM0Qk1f1a2205051g00001004fI
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Caesura
    > Bete Noire
    > Chain Rule
    > Stardew
    > Finesse
    > Moon Pool Circlet
    > Prowess
    > Diamond Hydro Necklace
    > Lament [w6w6w6]
     
  3. Pear (Unused)

    Pear (Unused) Random Funness CHAMPION

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    If a Time Rift build would be best, I can see what I can do because I have Time Rifts galore. (I have a lot of them...)

    Also thank you so so so much!!!

    Oh, and is it possible to have a build for one of them that uses the Phoenix Prince's Crown?
     
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    you can use phoenix prince in the healer build, but cancer would be way better
     
  5. iThought

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    Hi Pear, I see that you want some builds and some recommendations. Of course I have some of them but I want to give you an idea of how to make a good build. First of all, there are 3 major things that you look for in a build, effective health, damage and sustain. For effective health (or EHP), you always look for 40k EHP or more, less than 30k EHP is considered as low. Then for damage, you should be looking for about 20k damage per meteor for mage, 10k aura for shaman, I don’t really have an idea of how much damage an archer should have but probably 15k damage per bomb arrow. Finally for sustain, you need sustain in mana and health. For mana, you have the choice between mana regen and mana steal, for health, you can have health regen, lifesteal and spell. Remember that a good build always finds a balance between those 3 elements, if you have a ton ok damage, you probably don’t have EHP and sustain and versi-versa.
    Here are some interesting builds for mage:
    Armor: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0lS0px0r50tv2SK2SL0OJ0OM2SO060e211B061g00000
    Wand: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/crafter.html#19N9N9N9N6O8v9l91
    Ring: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/crafter.html#19C9CAbAbAbAb9m11
    Too lazy to copy paste the crafted item names into the build so here you go. Don’t forget to put 3 water powders on the wand too. This build might be overly expensive and might cost you a stack of LE if you want to get broke and buy good items.

    Another build: https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/index...K40og0Qn0y0x2f2M+Y1g1000CO1000CO01000CO1006CO
    This might not be better in terms of price but it’s more tanky and has a mythic in it.
     
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    Mage: Lament is mostly used as a heal wand, similar to King of Hearts. It's better as a secondary weapon than a main weapon. One of the most popular builds at the moment is Morph The Nothing, since it has nice damage and is extremely cheap (double emeralds for 50 more HP :3)
    Morph-Stardust
    Morph-Steel
    Morph-Iron
    Morph-Gold
    Morph-Emerald
    Morph-Emerald
    Morph-Amethyst
    Morph-Ruby
    The Nothing

    Shaman: I don't have much experience with it, sorry. However, I can say that healing shaman isn't great, I would recommend either melee shaman with something like Panic Zealot, spellspam with Cryoseism, or poison with Spleen Splitter (Toxoplasmosis is way too expensive)

    Archer: Archer has extremely high DPS, but air archer's aren't too common. The main air bow is Gale's Force, which is mostly used for its high WS and sometimes as a dual wield weapon. My favorite build for archer is Cluster spellsteal, but I can't find the build right now. The most common build for archer is the generic Rainbow Orange Lily, but I find it a bit boring to play. It's still quite good though.
    Cancer (sustain) or Cumulumbulus (I have no idea how to spell it but it gives more damage)
    Libra
    Vaward
    Capricorn
    Draoi Fair
    Moon Pool Circlet
    Prowess
    Diamond Fusion Necklace
    Orange Lily [W6W6E6]/Hellstrand [F6F6F6]/Gale's Force [A6A6A6]

    I also like ETW but it's really glassy
    Pisces
    Time Rift
    Chaos-Woven Greaves
    Pro Tempore
    Draoi Fair
    Moon Pool Circlet
    Diamond Hydro Bracelet
    Diamond Hydro Necklace
    Orange Lily [W6W6E6]
     
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    It’s cumulonimbus :p
     
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    BrightDanny Well-Known Adventurer CHAMPION

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    Most of these builds needs a skillpoint tome that gives a total of 2 skillpoints in the assigned skillpoints in the build. I like mage, so I'll provide a few Lament builds, including Time Rift. I usually prefer more tanky over alot of DPS.

    "Tanky" Lament build, spellsteal, Time Rift, can pull decent DPS(for a caster mage) if you utilize Curse well:

    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0L...0Qk0B0i2C161I1g10009I10039I10039I10039I1004fI
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Heroism
    > Time Rift
    > Vaward
    > Capricorn
    > Finesse
    > Finesse
    > Prowess
    > Tenuto
    > Lament [w6w6w6]

    Archaic variant(cancels negative hpr if you really hate it):
    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0L...0Qk0B0i2C161I1g10009I10039I10039I10039I1004fI

    Lazy hydro slap(gives alot of mana regen on top of the high manasteal):
    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0L...0Qk0X0B2C161I1g10009I10039I10039I10039I1004fI
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    Stardew variant, slightly tanky (40k ehp), 16k+ Meteor, Time Rift:
    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0K...0Qk0B112C1W0B1g10009I10039I10039I10009I1004fI
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Sparkweaver
    > Time Rift
    > Vaward
    > Stardew
    > Detective's Ring
    > Moon Pool Circlet
    > Prowess
    > Tenuto
    > Lament [w6w6w6]

    Stardew one, but with Cancer, needs 1 dual stat guild tome or 2 skillpoint tomes:
    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_07...0Qk0B112C1V0B1g10009I10039I10039I10009I1004fI

    And last but not least, a pretty speedy (70%+ walk speed), tanky(80k ehp) Time Rift variant:

    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0L40px0D407W0GQ02C0K40og0Qk050i2C161h1g00001004fI
     
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    Pls don’t use lament… just use crafted.
     
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    OP mentioned having a Lament and Lament is a perfectly fine weapon.

    Crafted could improve damage in this build, though, but comes at a repair cost.
     
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    Sooooooo crafted>>>>>>>Lament despite the repair cost since you can scrap wand at rag I and you get to repair it for like about an emerald block. If you count how fast you use the dura and the repair cost, you can basically use it for lifetime and the repair cost is cheaper than Lament…
    But this is just in terms of damage, if you still think that lament healer is a thing, you have to know king of hearts.
    In conclusion Lament is just dumb
     
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    Just because something doesn't deal the highest damage or is not the best at healing does not mean you can dismiss an item completely. That logic is skewed in my opinion.

    The strength of Lament is that it can fullfil the role of "some damage and good heals".

    - It has a very high Manasteal, which makes sustaining mana pretty easy.

    - It has Water Damage ID which makes you heal more.

    - It makes it easy to get Heal cost only 1 mana

    - It synergizes well with Time Rift, because Lament needs 110 Intelligence to equip. You will have 140 Intelligence together, lowering pressure on other item slots and synergizing with the Water Damage.

    - It has a Slow attack speed, which makes charging the powder special easier.

    Everything has up- and downsides.
     
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    Here is some general advice on building, the general “meta” non mythic weapons for every class are orange lily for spell archer, plague for melee, ignition for spell warrior skeins madness for melee warrior, assassin has a lot of options but usually black for spell, limbo for heavy melee and either bygones or pyroclast for tier stack, for mage, I’d say the nothing for spell or compiler for melee, for shaman probably lumina for melee and cryoseism for spell. Of course the meta is subjective and there are lots of other great weapons to choose from.


    About element combos, you usually use 3, 4 or 5 elements combos.


    Tier stack is using a slow weapon and turning it into super fast through +attack speed items

    Heavy melee is using a slow weapon and using -attack speed items that usually have a huge amount of damage added, and since it can’t get slower than super slow, you can stack as many as you want, this playstyle highly benefits from earth powder special quake and assassin vanish.

    Raw stack is stacking raw melee on a super fast weapon

    Cancel stack is using a -tier item that gives a lot of main neutral damage like writhing growth and using +attack speed items to turn a super fast weapon back to super fast

    Spell spam relies on mana regen and you guessed it, spamming spells

    Spell steal relies on mana steal, using melee hits in between spells to gain mana, this is usually used with super slow attack speed to gain more time to weave spells between melee and also higher chance for mana steal to proc on hit

    Intless spell is using -spell cost items and 0 or less intelligence to achieve low spell costs without intelligence


    Example builds:

    Spellspam: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0Au0Pf0JL07W0TQ0WA0K40OH0BD0o0l1f1L1D1g00001004fI

    Spellsteal: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/index.html#4_07R0RZ0r50BU0K00TQ0OJ0og05n0P1Q1h1c061g00000

    Intless spell: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#5_06W0mM0WD0Qq00sCI-10000GLarzLapiz Ring0270540M0201f0V021160k0200Z1100sCI-10000GLarzLapiz Ring0270540M0201f0V021160k0200Z110K40og0QY0w27x60u0y1g00001006CC

    Heavy melee: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0K30oY0CE0QR-18H8H7J7J8H8H9W910050SL0BR0Pt1o1O-c11+y1g00001001Z6

    Rawstack : https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0uO0000E50Nr0OW0Jf0K40Jc0Qi1Z0t050z2C1g0000103tlU

    Tierstack: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0B...078001300221C1g1003ES1005hM10036C1000BM1000CO

    Cancel stack: https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_09S0l-0CE01A0BK0BK0K40BR0110n0j090j1d1g0000100036

    There is also a balance between damage and ehp (hp combined with defensive skill points). So high damage = low ehp and vice versa. I tend to prefer somewhere in the middle ground ~30-50k ehp which allows me to be survivable while still dishing out a good amount of damage.

    For what items to use, the weapons listed above are AMAZING, but armor and accessories are a bit more complicated. Each build type has its own priorities. Spell spam has spell damage, mana regen, and like all builds ehp. Spell steal is the same but mana steal instead of regen. Heavy melee needs main attack damage and lifesteal/ehp/extra damage items, Rawstack is the same but it can't use -attack speed items, tierstack needs +attack speed items and lifesteal/ehp/extra damage items. Cancel stack is the same but it needs a -attack speed item with main attack damage.

    About powder specials, curse and courage are the most common as they boost damage by a ton, though in rawstack, cancelstack, and heavy melee, you tend to go for quake as curse and courage don't affect main attack raw damage. chain lightning is situationally used for life/mana steal. And air/wind prison is pretty much useless.

    Uh, well that's that, hope you gain a tiny bit of help from my advice
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    That was building advice, here are some good builds for your classes pre-made. For archer I use the generic Orange Lily build listed above in the spell-spam build. here is a good melee option https://wynnbuilder.github.io/index.html#4_0Ba07N0kT0VN0Jf0BK0BI0Ji09f0u13001a0y1g000010336O. For your shaman melee is incredibly dominant, here's a really popular one https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_0VI07N0kT0VN0Jf0BK0BI0OO0Q7001a001l131g00001006CC. For mage I recommend morph the nothing or this creative build which does a bit more damage at the cost of some health https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/index.html#4_0K90mG0DS0uD0Xr0uA0K40OH0CD0Z111B1c0S1g00000.

    Hope you enjoy the builds and your time playing Wynncraft :D
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    P.S. IMO, assassin is best in heavy melee and tierstack, archer is best in spell spam, mage is best in spellsteal/spam, warrior is best in spell steal, and last but not least shaman best in tierstack
     
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