Is Wfa Just Not A Thing Anymore?

So I know it was never the meta, but WFA seems to be not even worth thinking about anymore. Is it just bad now, or am I missing something?
I have a WFA build which I spent a while getting and don't want it to all be put to waste.

 

it is completely DEAD, bc now the only viable spell combos are pretty much twa twf ewa ewf

 

WFA is relatively speaking, much weaker than it was before, since while WFA used to be the best build archetype in the game, it now shares similar status with something like ETW where it lies on a relative extreme of the Defense <> Damage Spectrum.
That being said, you can totally still use WFA. Just expect a damage loss of 20-30%. You'll still be impossibly tanky and hard to kill, but you just will deal a bit less damage since now, propotionally, the strength and dexterity ids contribute much more to a build's damage.

 

wf > wfa 10char

 

Basically "You already didn't do enough damage before, now get ready to do no damage at all"

All of my builds were either WFA or WA, I can't use a single one of them now. Well maybe one of them is still acceptable. In my WFA builds I was pretty tanky but the damage tradeoff was already pretty huge, now it's just unplayable for me in terms of WFA, I had to switch archetypes everywhere.

Like I will never get why they nerfed Warp, like one of the worst wands in terms of DPS, the most you could probably do with it is like 22k meteors, but that's putting any defense aside, that build was like 12k hp and -10khpr per minute. My personal build had like 17k meteors, with about 6-7k -hpr per minute and no defense. Glassy af, now that same build deals 13k meteors, which still isn't as bad, but that's a glass cannon, not a tank. My Tank Warp builds, do below 10k meteors, which is unusable anywhere except maybe Raids as bosses for example in LI have higher regen than I have damage and in raids u will only serve as a practice target for the mobs as u will do no damage anyway and I know that's kinda what tanks are about, but I don't think it really works in Wynn

 

warp's kinda just been hit by collateral; i don't think anyone decided that it needed a direct nerf. outside of this specific exception, most wfa and wa were already strong and did deserve the damage cut. since warp's situation is isolated, i don't want you to shade the entire archetype.

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what class/numbers are we talking? i was playing a 5k bomb archer prepatch that still functions just fine even now.

 

Warp had the single best dps out of all wands.
Also, "All of my builds were either WFA or WA, I can't use a single one of them now. Well maybe one of them is still acceptable." is completely applicable to me rn.

 

it has the highest base dps but that's not particularly relevant when its severe drawbacks mean that any usable warp build will be outdamaged by most other mythic wands

 

Well, for starters my warp DPS build that I mentioned, even tho it was only WA, I'll probably have to stop using it, my tank warp builds which were all WFA,
My Idol build is now completely unusable cuz of bcata nerf, and had like 10k uppercuts at most, the same build would now have like 7k uppercuts, sorry I don't like spending 1 hour in LI
My Nirvana build was kinda busted I agree, it was really tanky and I could do EO in 7 minutes (Eye bossfight) which was the fastest time I ever did in EO, however, what they did to it bruh... 3k spins and bcata nerf again, so my build is unusable anyway.

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Idk if that was a meme or if you meant it for real, however, people who think Warp is good in combat because of this reason, never obviously tried it. It only had semi-comfortable DPS if you went full glasscannon as I mentioned, that made you do like 17k meteors, 22k is probably the limit, but the negatives of that were so hardcore. Now you don't have that at all

 

it looks like we hold differing views on the same sort of builds. if wfa doesn't fit you then it is what it is.

the rise of this archetype largely stemmed from the addition of (arguably) bad content like raids. it was also initially balanced in the wrong direction: offensive wfa-compatibles like trift and adrenaline quickly dominated the meta. the concept of immortality with horrid damage was accepted prior to these two changes, and debatably strong in practice. i view this to be the intended identity for wfa, and unless you disagree, you can't really complain about losing builds that held unreasonably high damage.

it's unavoidable that some builds will eventually be broken by nerfs, and it's regrettable that yours are part of this group. i'd suggest playing defensive twx or another less extreme archetype along with some wfa-like adjustment.

 

Massive WFA player here, and tbh, I need to state that WFA is still a really good archetype. WFA can still get good damage when you put a few extra sp into str/dex, and for that reason it was only a slight nerf. There's only 2 problems with WFA rn imo, and they are Warp and Eden-Blessed Guards. Warp is having a really hard time with this change, given the fact that if you want to use it in combat, you almost have to use WFA if you do not want negative hpr, mr, etc. Warp really did lose around 30% dmg, and it already did not have really good damage. It did however, have amazing damage as a tank weapon. Warp's sp req. holds it into an air catergory, and most of the hpr things you need have some sort of fire. You need int so you are locked into WFA, unless you want to go for something glassy. Killing a whole part of a weapon is kinda sad, but this wasn't on purpose, and there is always room for change. Personally, Eden is even worse. Eden isn't even way tankier than a lot of leggings that can compete, it gives -30 str and dex, and honestly I don't see why any1 would use this except in a Guardian or Ignis build, maybe KoH. If that's what the item team wants for Eden then I guess that's fair, but I feel like it had so many other uses and it seems kinda boring now.

 

for the record, ewa warp does kinda work if you have a rly good one: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0qn01+0p00Qj0t80nu-16w6w6w45457J9c910Ji0R10b-i22-i2g1g00001007lU
requires hpr tome(s) to fully cancel out hpr. you could also use aquamarine if you dont want to use crafteds
if your warp doesnt have great mr you can replace yang with mpc

definitely worse than old builds unfortunately

 

Wait with this pot wfa is good btw but
https://www.wynndata.tk/cr/442910065

 

lmao no. It was clearly one of the strongest tris in the game, and only got more favored with the introduction of group content in 1.20. Doubly so because of how said group content was balanced.

Sounds like you were being carried by a busted archetype (hypertank spell that also did way more damage than it should) and are feeling the effects of something resembling balance. Insane bulk has a tradeoff now.

Before the changes, you could be both borderline unkillable and do a ton of damage. Now you do less damage but are still borderline unkillable.

Oh and this isn't even talking about how the three armor powder specials available (conc, endu, dodge) are the three that require the least effort for a ridiculous reward
And on-element curse/courage access??? like holy shit??? I was not thinking very well when I wrote this sentence. Wtf was I thinking.
I cannot begin to fathom why people still insist wfa was weak and/or is dead. It's just no longer practically better in basically every aspect.

Old WFA really spoiled people, huh. Can't wait to see the awful takes if proper sustain balancing ever happens.

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Ignoring the int quads now (ETWF, TWFA, etc.)
And ignoring intless spell completely? TFA and ETFA ,,

Also hate how everyone's bandwagoning on "wfa dead", it's still the tri of choice for healbotting and doing things head empty.

I'll just leave this perfect oinuk quote here.

edit: i'm realizing way late that all of this already resolved,