How Heavy Spell Can Be Implemented In Wynncraft

thanks bart <3

excited to see your thoughts & thanks for the support

 

we do a little bumping

 

added a link to saya's spell cost thread if that part was confusing

also wtf bart pls respond

 

Hey, I never actually responded to this,

If you want a real answer for the thread, you could point out that heavy melee was once in a similar position before 1.19.

Fundamentally the 10 raw = 1% ratio skews toward mage, yeah - it's pretty much a part of existing item balance. Is there something beyond this that you found in your testing?

 

Yeah, the mage skew is much much more pronounced at higher damages (which makes sense I suppose). Stronghold, which I consider to be pretty well balanced across class but *still* a bit mage-favoring has a 6.4 raw = 1% ratio. I was expecting something more like 8.5 to land as balanced without a mage favor so to me at least it was surprising.

 

To be fair in my opinion heavy spell as a type skewing towards mage probably isn't a bad thing as mage having the slowest set of spells kinda makes up for the raw increase

 

ok but like trift lament would be well over 100k dps with heal support if it was 1 - 10 % to raw

 

I think because of this specifically hspell "raw power" needs to skew away from mage, if the damages were balanced the same as normal spellspam mage would come out way on top

Most other classes get their dps from a combination of spells (except shaman... shaman is still slightly boned in hpell) while mage only needs 1, meaning that just by choosing heavy spell you are effectively ~66%-ing your damage for classes other than mage. its inherent low-mana-ness and spell kit (instant heal, long range move and cc) make it favor heavy spell so the point where mage heavy spell in 1.19/1.20 is *borderline* playable;

also the nothing exists to abuse excessive raw damage in a way that even olily cannot :doom:

partially explains the skewed raw to % ratio, and even with this skew mage heavy spell was still generally the strongest in testing

 

It could happen, but not likely in the near future, and if it does feel free to not insult me

 

Lol yeah, it is absolutely not gonna be in the near future. The reason I did this project was that if it does happen eventually, it will be very useful to have a bank of knowledge/experience to draw from to make things go faster.

 

I like that optimistic outlook!

 

I don't think this really checks out mathematically, but I'll assume there are other reasons. The single damage spell reliance mentioned elsewhere seems like a plausible candidate to me - essentially the inverse of the high cps problem with spellspam mage.

 

Yeah, that's a good way to put it. We compared dps class-by-class (as in, balanced mage in comparison to spellspam mage rather than hspell warrior say), and as mage's normal spellspam dps is essentially 1 meteor every .8 or so seconds (not 100% on the time but you probably are), the potential gain of heavy spell on mage well outweighs the potential fall-off.

 

Please bart mc :despair:

(bump, seen more heavy spell stuff than usual today lol)

 

Wait what did saya finish btw. I know they did before bart replied to heavy spell thread

 

saya lied to us he actually only finished a part of what he was supposed to