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Combat Dummy Damage Numbers

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by shtnck eyh ckhhe, Apr 30, 2021.

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Favorite class?

  1. Archer

    10 vote(s)
    27.8%
  2. Assassin

    5 vote(s)
    13.9%
  3. Warrior

    9 vote(s)
    25.0%
  4. Mage

    9 vote(s)
    25.0%
  5. Shaman

    1 vote(s)
    2.8%
  6. Poll choice...

    2 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. shtnck eyh ckhhe

    shtnck eyh ckhhe Jesus of Nether-eth

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    So, with the release of housing combat dummies, I just took all 5 classes and bullied the heck out of the combat dummy to prove to myself that warrior is in fact epic gaming and validate my passion for warrior.

    I used the Morph Set with Infused Hive Weapons (unpowdered) so as to not give an outside advantage to classes based on my class building skills, and to make sure each class is judged only on its base damage and spells.

    Let's get into the numbers.

    Archer: 42,401 DPS
    Assassin: 40,792 DPS
    Warrior: 39,416 DPS
    Mage: 19,613 DPS
    Shaman: 15,031 DPS

    I am not a perfect human being; I cannot perfectly cast spells in a way to maximize the damage output. Also, Morph and Infused Hive may not be representative of all builds for each class.

    What does this show? Well, a single number may not show every aspect of a class. IE, Shaman has high AOE and crowd control, damaging lots of targets. Mage meteor aiming is ass (i hate mage).

    But, of course, warrior is epic. It's definitely not as bad as many say it is.

    idk was this post even necessary why did i write this
     
  2. Maracs

    Maracs Well-Known Adventurer CHAMPION

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    You wrote this because warrior is indeed pretty good
     
  3. Ingo

    Ingo Class Building Enthusiast HERO

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    Warrior is best :)
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    Btw were you using war scream or bash buff?
     
  4. ThedumbOX

    ThedumbOX I swear I’m straight HERO

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    Yoooooo might actually do warrior play through







    but archer supremacy pog
     
  5. chyp5

    chyp5 untrained unprofessional idiot VIP+

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    What is your cps..,.,..., My actual tstack limbo build does 30k average on the training dummy... or are you using the max dps value and not the average?


    If not I will go cry in a corner
     
  6. shtnck eyh ckhhe

    shtnck eyh ckhhe Jesus of Nether-eth

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    I did like three trials with each; war scream got like 36k ? ish i forget
     
  7. touhoku

    touhoku heavy spell pioneer Item Team CHAMPION

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    Important note: were you taking the righthand or lefthand number? The lefthand side appears to be a true average dps, where the right one is a maximum burst capacity measurement (in essence). I'm... skeptical ig? that these numbers are not the lefthand side ones and are not a good measure of dps.
     
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  8. shtnck eyh ckhhe

    shtnck eyh ckhhe Jesus of Nether-eth

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    No, I used the left hand side.
     
  9. hppeng

    hppeng 0 intel is the correct amount of intel HERO

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    just gon say there's no way warrior gets 40k dps sustained

    here are the raw bashboost numbers:
    upload_2021-4-30_21-56-40.png
    notice: if I add uppercut bash numbers and melee dps the total is far below 40k

    and the morph mana sustain (7/5 + 1/3) is not even enough to upperbash once per second.

    Burst dps may be higher but ignoring burst it is comparable to mage, and gets less of a boost from powders.


    but holy shit shaman is fked
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    tbh none of your numbers make any sense
    upload_2021-4-30_22-0-27.png
    this is archer

    maybe has to do with the measuring method (damage dummy dps is fked)

    upload_2021-4-30_22-0-56.png
    this isn't even close to 20k dps

    upload_2021-4-30_22-1-52.png
    this is 30k optimistically (5.2k? from smoke ticks), and thats definitely extended burst dps
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    upload_2021-4-30_22-5-35.png
    totem adds 700 so this is what, 15k? if you hit with haul so I guess your shaman numbers are validated; if you weren't hitting with haul then... idfk
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    note (2): Add 15% to all those numbers if you assume every single hit crits (which since you were probably testing and looking for the highest numbers is a decent assumption) and your numbers still make no sense so.

    I think dummy dps is just borked / at least your method of measuring is fked
     
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  10. Deco113

    Deco113 Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    How long did you sustain casting for each? If you were going off of left side number, are these numbers average of the many it shows, or the highest it showed? Also, any tomes or housing rules?
     
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    Neptune Self-proclaimed Az Cult Leader

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    TL;DR: Housing Damage Dummies are fked in several directions.

    1st. the LEFT number represent (Total Damage Dealt) / (Duration Elapsed) and only reset if the number hits 0
    so it can do smth ridiculous such as: shoot a 60k arrow storm, wait 1 second, shoot an arrow bomb and your LEFT number magically decreases by a chunk.
    or it gon get fked by delay and registers first 1.5 second or so but its not 1s, making...

    2nd. the RIGHT number represent Highest LEFT number achieved. in which, by working this way, the RIGHT number also gets fked in several direction as it couldn't represent proper numbers.
    this number is definitely wrong because dependancy on the LEFT.

    For a better demonstration for yourself, get a sfast melee build and whack the dummy.
     
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  12. Ingo

    Ingo Class Building Enthusiast HERO

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    uh wdym?

    1.) Warrior has way higher dps than mage (like 2 times as much with my cps)
    2.) Spears have higher base damage than wands so warrior gets a higher boost from powders
     
  13. hppeng

    hppeng 0 intel is the correct amount of intel HERO

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    morph doesn't have the mana to sustain your cps

    so all these measured numbers must be either a) garbage or b) burst dps measurement
    edit: or c) both! :)

    lower base damage gets higher boost from powders because powders have a raw component,, same reason mage gets a relatively larger boost from raw spell vs %spell
     
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    Triactic Below average IQ VIP+

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    There's no way that morph + hive spear is hitting 40k dps, considering my weathered gets around 50k dps. These numbers are probably 1.5x-2x more than what they actually should be.
     
  15. shtnck eyh ckhhe

    shtnck eyh ckhhe Jesus of Nether-eth

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    probably.

    uh, this (not 39k, but :/ also i suck at cycling)


    nothing makes sense
     
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  16. hppeng

    hppeng 0 intel is the correct amount of intel HERO

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    I mean your mana bar is draining as you cast spells... you are making a burst dps measurement for morph set

    so theres your answer,

    though it does look like you can burst for decently long at 20k dps which is nice

    Also look at the video, for the first 2s the dps number displayed does not decrease and continuously accumulates, basically the number its calculating for you is hot garbage

    edit: it is hot garbage for the first few secs, to get an accurate dps measurement you need to go at it for ~10s+ probably. or at least one "right side reset cycle" which unfortunately makes it quite difficult to measure true burst dps

     
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  17. Ingo

    Ingo Class Building Enthusiast HERO

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    Oh I thought you meant powder specials (these give % boosts)

    but weapons were balanced with powders in mind, warrior with powders still has way higher base damage than mage with powders (to give examples: Peaceful Rest [FFF] gets 634.25 base dmg and Ignition [FFF] gets 765.7 or Nepta Floodbringer [WW] gets ~576.2 base dmg while Braker [WWW] gets 1080)
     
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