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SPOILER The Player Is A Fruman War Machine Theory.

Discussion in 'Nemract's Bar' started by EvanOrizam, Apr 6, 2021.

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Is this theory believable and down-to-earth?(for you)

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  1. EvanOrizam

    EvanOrizam Just your average Fruman supersoldier. VIP+

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    Hello fellow soldiers.
    Playing wynncraft, some strange stuff came across my mind. With that stuff, I made the theory that the player is actually a fruman invention.
    Point 1: Unaffected by certain things.
    -In quests like Star Thief and The Canary Calls, everyone else was heavily affected by some circunstance(in this case, the meteor madness and toxic gas), while the player was almost completely unnafected, just getting a bit dizzy handling COSMIC METEORS WITH HIS/HER RAW HANDS and the toxic gas just bein ''foul-smelling'' to him
    ''But those are villagers, not humans!, The player is a human!'' you might say. But also Villagers are higly related to humans, proven not only by their similar morphology, but because of Ardulf's existance. Ardulf is a human-villager hybrid, and two species need to be highly related to interbreed, like horses and zebras, tigers and lions, and ourselves and the now extinct Homo Neardentalensis, which are quite similar to Humans and Villagers, with slightly different morphologies but many common traits, there being political tension, but also love and having developed in different continents. All of those pairs of species get intoxicated by pretty much the same stuff.
    - We are not harmed in any way standing within 15 meters of fucking lava thousands of Celsius degrees hot in cities like Rodoroc or Thanos, while any normal human would have quickly died.
    -We are alrigth being swallowed by a DRAGON
    -Beyond the Grave tells us that us returning from death, simply losing 2 SP is canonically accurate, which means that we actually return from death.
    -We do not require food or sleep.
    -These are the only examples I could think of for the moment, I will add more in the future.

    Point 2: Nemract Whiskey/Potion of Drunkness.
    NPCs, like Drucksh and the Seaskipper Captain refer to what the game shows us as ''Potion of Drunkness'' as ''Nemract Whiskey'', which in my opinion means that the player percieves things differently. Who knows, perhaps none of the potions are called the way the game shows us.
    Some guy said that there is an untradable item called Nemract Whiskey on The Hidden City.
    That is absolutely true. However, it is not a potion because it is not meant to be drunk, while the ones we purchase from the Potion Merchant or get as a gift from the Seaskipper Captain are.

    Point 3: The player's fighting instincts.
    The player is not only abnormally powerful,(an example is Aledar, Lucio and Elphaba barely doing any damage 89k HP miniboss, which everyone crushed once purified by Dren, while after also being purified, they didn't help like, at all), but also abnormally violent(examples include Cluck Cluck and Clearing the Camps, in which the NPCs tell us to make peace with the bosses, and we just kill them)

    Point 4: Recovering the Past
    In a nutshell, the quest consists of doing stuff for Fruman inmigrants for them to come to some wizard's magic orb that rescues their erased memories. We learn that those guys were people that opposed the Fruman Queen, and got their memories erased in a chair and sent to Wynn, but when we, also of Fruman origin and remembering nothing, when we touch the orb, it shows us nothing and instead rejects us, the wizard saying: ''The other subjects never experienced that powerful of a reaction, it's almost like we were accessing memories that never existed. It's almost as if you didn't have a life before you came to Wynn.''
    That leads me to beliieve that we were created some powerful entity, possibly by the Fruman monarchy, which is versed in magic.

    Conclusion: Our strange inmunities, power and psychology, along with the weird details of Nemract Whiskey leads me to believe that we were created by a powerful force, and the event of Recover the Past, lead me to believe that, we were indeed created by the Fruman government as a war machine.
    Please consider that we are not necessarily a fruman warmachine, just that we are not human and we were created by some big magical force, we could just as well be created by Orphion, or be a fruman spy, or something else.


    I hope you liked my little theory. (:
    P.S. Excuse my bad English, as it is not my mother tongue.
    Also it would be nice if you liked this post.
     
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  2. Samsam101

    Samsam101 Star Walker GM

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    My question is this: Fruma wants zero involvement in the War of the Realms, so why would they create a magical being to deal with it? The only reason they send recruits over is probably to clear space in their prisons..

    Plus, Aledar and Tasim presumably went and did similar acts to us, judging from how they are portrayed in A Hunter's Calling. Were they created by Frumans? I mean, technically but that would be biological and not magical or whatever. How do I know this? Aledar is mentioned by a prisoner in Recovering the Past.

    The thief could easily still be a villager. The minecraft skin means nothing since I doubt the Wynn team even made it. That skin is used all over the game as a typical bandit-type figure. For an example, I will mention Skyraiders. Canonically, they were in Gavel before Humans and the Wynn province were discovered. These skyraiders all have a human-looking skin, but canonically are probably villagers.

    Beyond the grave is a joke quest and all lore stated there is not to be taken seriously

    The name of the potion of drunkness is completely meaningless. Iirc in the quest ''Frost bite'' you can get an item called ''Nemract whiskey''
    Plus, if we perceived all potions as something else, wouldn't we perceive every water bottle we find as ''Potion of nothing''?

    I think that miniboss and everything else in the silent expanse are completely impossible to harm without purification which is why they struggled. As for Cluck Cluck and Clearing the Camps, Cluck cluck implies that you have to kill Cluckles and Clearing the camps has literally nothing saying that you shouldn't have killed the Orc Chieftains

    I think that's supposed to be a meta joke about how you are a player who joined the server and not some character with deep backstory like Link from Zelda or something, but I guess it could also have meaning to it. This is the only good piece of evidence to this theory honestly, but even then it could easily mean something else.
     
  3. Potatomancer

    Potatomancer Budget Wither

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    I was going to make a theory like this, but you beat me too it
    I also would like to mention the fact we are able to defeat the strongest corrupted, villager Thanos, and the soul of the strongest warrior of Wynn.
    How?
     
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    Samsam101 Star Walker GM

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    He says to ''take care'' of cluckles in a tone that implies ''kill him''
     
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    Potatomancer Budget Wither

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    Then how come he says this afterwords:
     
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    Samsam101 Star Walker GM

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    Because he truly meant ''Calm him down''

    I don't think you understand what I'm saying
     
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    I don't at all
    Do you mean the player thought Nohno meant to kill cluckles based on his tone?
     
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    Samsam101 Star Walker GM

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    Yes
     
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    Potatomancer Budget Wither

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    Well there are other proof that the player would resort to killing. Farcor says this:
     
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    Samsam101 Star Walker GM

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    I think Farcor is supposed to be collectively referring to Humans and Villagers as a species as he talks to you though
     
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    Don't know about that. We haven't found anyone else who defaults to killing in almost every situation. And he never mentions both races in his dialogue anyway. He does say "greedy simpletons" but he never says "I hate all races dragons on top >:DDDDDD"
    Also in Shadow of the Beast, the farmer specifically says to bring the cows back, and yet the player kills them anyway. I don't have a quote because the wiki hasn't updated it yet.
     
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    Samsam101 Star Walker GM

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    The whole ''default to killing'' thing makes me think more that the player is a being formed from Orphion's ideals and not some fruman war machine
     
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    So Orphion just pulls a Jesus and makes the perfect specimen to help him defeat Dern? If so, why did he put it in Fruma and not someplace closer like Aldorei?
     
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    Samsam101 Star Walker GM

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    So that he can kill a few birds with one stone and solve all problems worldwide
     
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    ditsario it's always christmas somewhere in the world VIP+

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    actually the wiki dialogue is the new one it's just on the old page for some reason that i really don't understand
    we'll get it sorted "soon" i promise but in the meantime the dialogue is still updated
    i'm not really going to argue about the main theory (it's interesting but imo a bit flimsy) but i do just want to mention that there are plenty of times when people who are canonically villagers have human-style skins so the CT doesn't have to use one of the 5 or whatever pre-1.14 villager skins they have, such as the hive. the only canonical difference is the nose size.
     
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  16. EvanOrizam

    EvanOrizam Just your average Fruman supersoldier. VIP+

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    To me, they are testing the weapon, alias us. They could also seek favor or wealth from Ragni

    I am talking about the player being a weapon, that doesn't mean every succesful adventurer/soldier has to be one. Elphaba, Lucio and Aledar got to a mission on a super-dangerous expanse, and that doesn't mean they are weapons. Same with Bob, the lore specifically states he was birthed in the sewers.

    True, but that doesn't neccesarily mean they are Villagers, even in Gavel. A lot of skins were upgraded in 1.20, such as Twendle. Bandits are outlaws so it makes sense the Gavel government hasn't deported them yet.
    Skyraiders in the secret discovery ''Ahmsord's Origins'' refer to the future Ahmsord inhabitants as 'the villagers'
    You are also completely ignoring the biological factor.
     
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    EvanOrizam Just your average Fruman supersoldier. VIP+

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    Also thanks you guys for reasoning with my insightful but overly critical critic (:
    To me Orphion isn't just ''kill them all' but he kills when it should be done, but we just kill everything that we find, like the cows for SOTB chuckles whose owners reprimanded us for killing them or the 3 orc chiefs and maltics witch who we had no reason to kill but still, the quest starters did not give a shit about them so its ok. I mean orphion wants us to kill because here killing means putting a stop to a potentially world-ending catastrophe, not just because killing stuff is fun.
    You know who is brutal and would have no problem killing? The Fruman monarchy. I mean they tax and incarcerate the hell out of everyone why would they have a problem killing?
    Also in fruma only the royalty and their highest servants are allowed to have/learn magic and we came from fruma so thats what i think.
    P.S. writing this with my phone good grammar very difficult
     
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    As said above, Nohno made it sound like he wanted you to kill Cluckles.
    Kymer literally wants you to kill them
    She turned the child into a rabbit. I don't think talking it out or anything is going to do much. Especially once the witch starts yeeting potions at you.
    Everything else makes sense
     
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    EvanOrizam Just your average Fruman supersoldier. VIP+

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    From the wiki
    • Captain Kymer: Ah, the soldier from earlier! You're back, I see. Any luck defeating those- ...yeesh. Are those their heads?
    • Captain Kymer: That's...harsher than I intended, but it works... Not like the Villagers care if they're dead of alive, as long as they're dealt with. I have your share of the reward here.
     
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    He says this beforehand:
    Like Cluck Cluck, Kymer says it in a way that makes the player think he meant you to kill them. Because usually in games like these "defeat" means "kill."
     
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