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Half-baked Zodiac Armor Ideas

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  1. Toaster

    Toaster He/Him CHAMPION

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    (Disclaimer: D0n't take the astrology bit too seriously, these are partially legitimate suggestions)
    So I was thinking about the change from Cancer to Necrosis all the way back in 2018 (patch 1.17.7) and remembered the reason for the change was that they wanted to make the item more representative of its zodiac sign. This is a fine change but several of the other zodiac items have poor connections.

    Let's start with Aries. Aries is a fire sign represented by the ram, ruled by Mars and associated with the Greek deity Ares. It's the most intense fire sign with most people born under this sign being bold, impulsive, determined, feisty, and leaderlike. However, the item doesn't seem to reflect this.
    https://imgur.com/2LkRc82
    Aries for some reason is an earth/air item which makes barely any sense. The fact that it's a helmet representing the horns of the ram works but the IDs make little sense. Aries should definitely be a fire item. Since rams charge and headbutt and the lore says they have "incredible speed," I'm getting fire/air vibes. Maybe some sprint regen, main atk raw, and possibly exploding in addition to some of the current ids (walkspeed, main atk dmg %, lifesteal) would be good.
    Current accuracy: 3/10
    Taurus is an earth sign represented by the bull, ruled by Venus, and associated with the Greek deity Zeus. It shares a lot of characteristics with water signs with people most born under this sign being loyal, relaxed, persistent, and indulgent. The item for this sign matches up fairly well.
    https://imgur.com/blcAkzN
    The main change I'd make to this item is one that I'll talk about later on that involves swapping the names of some of these items.
    Current accuracy: 7/10
    Gemini is an air sign represented by the twins, ruled by Mercury, and associated with the Greek figures Castor and Pollux. It shares a lot of characteristics with fire signs with most people born under this sign being adaptable, outgoing, curious, and nosy. The item matches up incredibly well with this.
    https://imgur.com/ludRKA1
    I don't have any suggestions here. Thunder just works with this item and the fact that it's leggings works with Gemini being the twins. It already has two fiery stats (lifesteal and fire defense) which as I see it fulfills the fiery nature of this air sign.
    Current accuracy: 10/10
    Cancer is a water sign represented by the crab, ruled by the moon and associated with the Greek deity Artemis. It's the most intense of the water signs with people born under this sign being sentimental, protective, empathetic, and vindictive. The item works very well with this!
    https://imgur.com/IWgIjgS
    The only potential suggestion would be to make it more water based, but with 10 intelligence and a pretty substantial water defense %, it's not bad as is. Still 1/4 mr or another water ID or int req could help.
    Current Accuracy: 8/10
    Leo is a fire sign represented by the lion and associated with the sun and the Greek figure Heracles (technically Leo is the Nemean Lion, the first of Heracles' 12 labors, but Leo is also associated Apollo and Helios). Leo shares a lot of characteristics with water signs with people born under this sign being big-hearted, stable, loyal, and dramatic. The item somewhat reflects this.
    https://imgur.com/6NX0Rna
    This item is fire-based but could do with some water-based identifications. It makes sense for game balancing reasons that it would have negative spell damage, but what if it could have another water identification like mana steal or water damage to mirror its watery-ness. The negative water defense is a bit odd but fair enough for game balance reasons.
    Current accuracy: 6/10
    Virgo is an earth sign represented by the maiden, ruled by Mercury and associated with the Greek deity Demeter. It shares a lot of characteristics with air signs with most people born under this sign being critical, observant, loving, and prone to overthinking. The item reflects this fairly well.
    https://imgur.com/VXeyFei
    The earth bit of this item is solid but I'm not too sure on the thunder part. I suppose it makes sense for a high attack tier item to be associated with dexterity, but I think that could also work for air in order to reflect the sign's airy nature. The reflection is already an air-associated ID and going the extra step of replacing thunder damage with air damage would make it super accurate. It already has the low health of an air item and might be able to use some SP to make it more viable.
    Current accuracy: 7/10
    Onto the second half of the zodiac signs! Libra is an air sign represented by the scales of justice, ruled by Venus and associated with the Greek figure Themis (Themis is the personification of justice and wields the scales of justice. That being said, Libra is commonly associated with Aphrodite as well). It's the most intense of the air signs with most people born under this sign being social, diplomatic, clever, and vain. The item doesn't reflect the airy nature of the sign but still works with the theme of balance.
    https://imgur.com/1O8Seg6
    While not an air item the use of all 5 elements works with the theme of balance in this sign. I don't have any changes aside from maybe making it slightly favor air or have an air stat.
    Current accuracy: 9/10
    Here's where things get a little bit odd*. Scorpio is a water sign represented by the scorpion, ruled by Pluto and associated with the Greek figure Orion (technically not Orion himself but the scorpion sent by Artemis and Leto to kill Orion). It shares a lot of characteristics with fire signs with most people born under this sign being honest, passionate, instinctive, and having big emotions. Yeah, the item doesn't match this at all.
    https://imgur.com/KGgLAGt
    Scorpio in Wynncraft is an earth item for some reason. I can maybe see the justification based on the fact that the scorpion represents the sign and scorpions sort of have something to do with the earth? The thunder also somewhat makes sense since scorpions essentially do critical hits (applying video game logic to real life). Nonetheless, it's not a water item which is a bit odd and less excusable here. There is a defense requirement and 2 fire identifications (health regen and exploding) on there, but why earth of all things? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Perhaps making it a hybrid EWF (Earth, Water, Fire) item could fix this if Wynn wants to keep it as an earth item. Here's what I see:
    https://imgur.com/cvFitF2 (This does lose a lot of damage though which is sort of Scorpio's thing with the 100 strength and all so idk)
    Similar to Gaea-Hewn Boots but more melee/hybrid oriented with mana steal and poison (neg spell is to balance it). Alternatively, it could be made a TWF (Thunder, Water, Fire) item if you want to keep the thunder in it. Also, it just irks me in general with this item that the strength boost goes over the effective cap of 150.
    Current accuracy: 3/10
    *Scorpio itself is already odd because scorpions don't really fit the element of water...
    While not a widely recognized star sign, Ophiuchus is technically a zodiac item, so I'm going to include it. It's commonly associated with the element of fire, represented by the serpent bearer, ruled by Saturn, and associated with the Greek deity Apollo (and the python at the Oracle of Delphi). It shares a lot of characteristics with air & water signs* with most people born under this sign (supposedly) being charismatic, just, curious, and temperamental. The item reflects this pretty well.
    https://imgur.com/x7fHkuO
    It's a fire and water based item which is accurate to Ophiuchus. The only possible change would be to add some air-based identification, but that's just a nitpick. Overall, for the weirdness of this sign, I'd say it's pretty good.
    Current accuracy: 9/10
    *Ophiuchus would fit weirdly into the zodiac for several reasons, one of them being the elements. Sagittarius is already an airy fire sign and Leo is already a watery fire sign. It'd also be the 5th fire sign, offsetting the balance of the signs.
    Things only get weirder with Sagittarius. It's a fire sign represented by the centaur archer, ruled by Jupiter and associated with the Greek figure Chiron (mentor of Achilles). It shares a lot of characteristics with air signs with most people born under this sign being optimistic, humorous, honest, and inquisitive. The item doesn't really reflect this.
    https://imgur.com/NuWlrva
    Sagittarius is a purely air item with no fire identifications whatsoever. If it is to stay in its current spot more or less, I propose that a slight defense requirement gets added along with some fire identifications like exploding, fire damage %, raw health regen, and/or lifesteal.
    Current accuracy: 4/10
    Onto the last three signs! Capricorn is an earth sign represented by the sea goat (odd), ruled by Saturn and associated with the Greek deity Pan (sort of?). It's the most intense of the earth signs with most people born under this sign being ambitious, hardworking, stoic, and elitist. The item doesn't match up with this too well.
    https://imgur.com/Z8uewde
    Capricorn in Wynncraft is an air/water pair of boots which doesn't make a ton of sense with the star sign but makes some sense with the representation of the sea goat. However, I don't think this item should be changed. The item is incredibly useful while not being overpowered (thanks to the removal of its raw spell damage a few updates ago) and I don't think anyone wants to see it go. Instead, I propose a bit of a name shuffle for some of the zodiac items:
    • Taurus should be called Capricorn since Capricorn is an intensely earthy sign.
    • Capricorn should be called Pisces since Pisces is an airy water sign.
    • Pisces should be called Taurus since Taurus is a watery earth sign and it being a helmet would make sense with the bull horns.
    Alternatively, the names of Pisces and Capricorn could just be swapped and I'd be happy.
    Current accuracy: 4/10
    Aquarius is already a weird sign. It's an air sign represented by the cup bearer (what), ruled by Uranus and associated with the Greek figure Ganymede. It shares a lot of characteristics with earth signs with most people born under this sign being intelligent, idealistic, rebellious, and insensitive. The item doesn't match up with this very well.
    https://imgur.com/XFgHxjz
    Aquarius is already in a weird spot with it being an earthy air sign represented by a water-like figure. I don't think this item should get removed, rather, I think it should get the Necrosis/Cancer treatment. Take Aquarius' IDs, slap a different name and lore on it, and redesign Aquarius to be an air item, perhaps with some earth IDs thrown in there.
    Current accuracy: 3/10
    Final sign! Pisces is a water sign represented by the fish, ruled by Neptune and associated with the Greek deity Aphrodite (odd story as to why). It shares characteristics with air signs with most people born under this sign being creative, generous, gentle, and naive. The item sort of matches up with this.
    https://imgur.com/nGNbDB4
    I don't think this item should go away, it's fairly cool and in a good spot. See changes above for Capricorn.
    Current accuracy: 5/10

    TL;DR changes:
    - Aries should become a fire item, it makes no sense that it's an air/earth item
    - Taurus should be renamed to Capricorn
    - Gemini is pretty perfect
    - Cancer is fine as is, if anything it could be more water focused but isn't in dire need of changes
    - Virgo should get some air stats and agility requirement to better reflect its low health value (thunder is weird on it, it should probably be removed)
    - Libra is cool as is, could have some more air but it's not bad
    - Scorpio needs a rework
    - Ophiuchus is great
    - Sagittarius needs some fire IDs and defense requirement
    - Capricorn should be renamed to Pisces
    - Aquarius should get its current stats transferred to another item and Aquarius should be come an air/earth chestplate
    - Pisces should be renamed to Taurus
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2021
  2. Ramattra

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    I 100% believe that cancer was changed to necrosis so that the item named Cancer wouldn't have life steal lmao
     
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    it was changed so the item named cancer with over 5000 poison wouldn't represent an actual disease
     
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    Still can’t believe that the item named cancer used to have life steal and poison
     
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    JaydonTheWarrior Nerf tanks, buff paladin.

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    Here's the issue with this:
    Dexterity needs to have some items as well.
    Look, the signs only have 4 elements, but Wynncraft has 5. It doesn't take much looking at the items to realize Wynncraft largely uses Dex as a kind of between, or stand in for air or water in a lot of these items.
    That being said, I also think its pretty obvious some of the items weren't designed around Zodiac anyways, but none the less, you should probably treat Dex like a stand in for water and air at times for balance reasons.
     
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  6. Toaster

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    I mean there are some places where dex makes sense like Gemini and maybe Scorpio if it goes down the TWF route
    Honestly you could slap it on new Aquarius and it could maybe work
    that's 3 items with dex on em wham bam thank you ma'am
     
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    JaydonTheWarrior Nerf tanks, buff paladin.

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    That's 3 out of 13.
    Considering most of these have more then 1 element, thats kinda sad.
     
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    if there are 5 elements and each should get a fairly equal share, 3/13 is more than the equal division of 3/15 or 2.6/13
    also im only half counting oph since its not rEally one of the zodiac items
     
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    fair enough
    currently:
    earth: 6/13
    water: 6/13
    air: 5/13
    fire: 5/13
    thunder: 4/13
    its already not used as much because there are only 4 elements of the zodiac
    maybe you can tack it onto new Aries?
    that'll still be 4/13 thunder
     
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    JaydonTheWarrior Nerf tanks, buff paladin.

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    Idk, it's up to you.
    Just saying you probably want to treat it like a stand-in state at times, and also, try and keep the intention of the items ruffly the same.
    I do think a lot of these items do need a rework, and having some of their design better reflects the Zodiac they are named after isn't a bad idea, but keeping the general intention of the item is probably a good idea.
     
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    would the item with aquarius’s old stats still be a chestplate despite its stats being transferred to another item?
     
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    If I understand your question correctly, then yes, the item wouldn't be changed, merely renamed. The name Aquarius would then be put on a new item. (Like what they did with Necrosis. All the Cancer helmets -> Necrosis, and it just so happened that Cancer remained a helmet)
     
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    I think that would be best, yes.
     
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    the only thing I want is to have all of them be golden armors and you can use special attacks that make your cosmo go brrr- wait this is Wynncraft
     
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