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Warrior/Knight Rainbow Slap The Build - With Rots, Boreal, And The Crafted Stuff We Make Along The Way

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  1. PikaLegend

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    Disclaimer: I'm not a build expert. This could be very average.

    So while leveling up my professions warrior, I have always told myself: Wow, I'm gonna try making a high sustain warrior build so I won't ever need potions again!

    Fast forward to 1.20, boreal got nerfed, but amazingly they also reduced the agility req, meaning this build would actually be impossible without that small change!

    What I'm talking about, is slapping an otherwise high defense and agility req sustain boots (Boreal), with the otherwise locked by a high strength req heal spell weapon (Rhythm of the Seasons), to a rainbow build (and have nice crafted just because I like it). So... you kinda can't die.

    So I crafted this:
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    But pika, why the heck did you make a rainbow crafted weapon? Isn't that kinda bad?
    I'm not sure if it is just hot garbage or not but I wanted to try at least. You can probably get rid of Ocea Steel for more powders since, I don't think additive id damage makes too much of a difference with Rainbow Sanctuary!

    Also, since Parasitic Abscission would work kinda well with powders given that powders are not affected by effectiveness, and powders boosts raw damage of the weapon (very important), but using multiple of one type of powder results in very high reqs. So rainbow is kinda my solution-ish!

    And then I went to the trade market to splurge, got this one hot thing for 8 LE, and got that other hot thing for 42 LE. (You can guess which one is which!)
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    That's pretty hot, because the lowest HPR roll is like, -300 or so. Quite the steal.

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    So in the eyes of many it might look pretty bad, but really the only thing I care about is the HPR% (which goes from 30% - 130%), so to me it is still pretty worth!

    And then went to solo LI 1.20 and EO with the build. I also tried Panic Zealot for the first time and got obliterated many times so I don't think I'm going to show that.
    Rainbow Crafted Weapon (Main): [Link]
    Rhythm of the Seasons (Secondary): [Link]
    Collapse (I suppose, if you own one): [Link]
    Supernova (Like, it kinda works too?): [Link]

    Morph Stardust: Has Health Regen and is a good rainbow item with lots of sp. Mainly also because I rolled a kinda decent one.
    Libra: For more SP, and damage.
    Rainbow Sanctuary: Really, it's the main damage carry for lots of Rainbow Builds I heard.
    Boreal: HPR% and lots of health.
    Prism x2: Debatable, you can probably substitute one for Intensity for more damage?
    Dragon's Eye Bracelet: Lower the Uppercut cost just a bit, as you would use this quite a bit against CCI bosses. Uppercut is actually kinda good against them since you can actually spam it, and it does lots of damage!
    Contrast: More Health Regen, Mana Regen. If you choose to go with Intensity, Diamond Fusion would fit perfectly and give 10 extra SP compared to prism - you can get to 68 intel (with tomes) as a result!



    So yes, now you too can mindlessly no pot LI and the Eye if you want (I guess if you have like 2 stacks lying somewhere)! I got Panic Zealot down to around 30% health and then it destroys me, so I ragequitted. I haven't actually tried TCC or Guild Wars with this build, arguably tougher, but I'm interested to see how it goes. These group content was also the main reason why I wanted to get ROTS for those clutch heals... on paper at least.

    Pros:
    • Decent sustainability and tankiness. I use a cheap Boreal but still can live without using my ROTS if I just fly around a bit. So you just can't die if you spam ROTS.
    • Decent damage. (I choke a bit in killing the wretches though, mostly because I ended up rushing due to server restart)
    • It is rainbow, and I think that means you get to exploit any elemental weaknesses which basically adds a little more damage? Probably not worth due to elemental defenses.
    Cons:
    • Spells are very expensive. I wanted to hit 68 Intel for the threshold, but found it a bit difficult to do so. I would say, using the new tomes slot, it might be possible to hit 68 if you get some extra skill points (maybe, we are short 15 sp, switching out Prism for Intensity and Contrast for Diamond Fusion Necklace would add another 10 sp, so it is probably worth!).
    • It is rainbow. So multi-elemental def bosses will take a bit longer.
    • Using a Mythic + Crafted is still pretty expensive, and cheap Boreals are probably not something you see every day. I guess you might have to grind some rare ingredients for a bit.
    • Kinda get flexed on by dps builds which kills bosses in seconds. Sad.
    • Please no nerf
    And I am sure there are many other recommendations people can make to this build, given I'm not really an expert. Feel free to tell me what can be changed if you were to optimize it further?
     
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    Alrighty, I spent months trying to perfect a Spell Collapse build so I might be able to answer this.

    The problem I see so far is that, like you said, you are trying to make a spell build, requiring high intelligence, using a rainbow weapon but want to use armors that are tied to a high agility, defense, and strength and this is coming at the cost of making this build spell sustainable. I wouldn't use it really as, when trying to account for all of the problems, your hp turns to garbage. Even with the high defense, it wouldn't save it enough in my opinion.
    Trying to account for spell costs: https://wynndata.tk/s/9fj6sg

    If we try to use Infernal Impulse to account for missing hp, it does become better but of course you won't have the damage you want.
    Infernal Impulse: https://wynndata.tk/s/vkxuja

    Technically you get better results by just using morph if using your crafted spear and it can use RoS. Wynndata is bugging for some reason and isn't showing that each skill point is at 75 btw and it does have 105 int if you put all your extra skill points into it.
    Morph: https://wynndata.tk/s/7vmwfs

    If you wanted to try and make a rainbow build using Rally, it might have to be done with Infernal Impulse so you don't have to switch to RoS , I would have to say you would need a Collapse for it to really work due to it having a good amount of mana steal and damage.

    Boreal+Collapse+Infernal Impulse Spell: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0270Pf09U0QW09q09q0K40OH0QT2M0k1f1c0k1g000010063O
    Boreal+Collapse Spell(Str is high enough to use RoS): https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0270F+09U0QN09q09q0K40OH0QT1y0l1f1E111g000010063O

    I kinda don't like the first one due to the fact that it is bordering on being mana sustainable. If you wanted to more or less get rid of potions, Resurgence might work as well due to the fact that it also has a high health regen, it's hp is respectable, it has lots of mana regen and intelligence for spell builds, and already requires a good defense to use so you would still be pretty tanky. The only problem I see with Resurgence is that it is expensive af.

    Resurgence+Collapse(can use RoS): https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0Au0F+09U0Qr09q09q0K40OH0QT2H0v1f1W0v1g000010063O
    tl:dr-It is possible to use RoS or Infernal Impulse in a rainbow spell build but it might only be possible with Collapse.
     
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    Very insightful! Yes, spells are quite the issue, and upon looking at some of your builds, I think I have found the sweet spot I would like.

    I kinda want to avoid using blue mask since it makes me feel quite glassy (especially for surviving raids), and I don't enjoy using stealing builds too much since I feel like mana regen is more consistent (In cases where I just can't melee). But, since additive damages is kinda negligible with the existence of rainbow sanctuary, I realized I can get rid of Libra in favor of far cosmos for more sp and 1 mana charge, for negligible damage losses (My Libra is kinda trash anyways). Then, I realized that Dragon's Eye is kinda a dead slot as I can get more discounts (on multiple spells) if I just used what you did, with Black Catalysts, Prowess and Diamond Fusion. So...

    Here's the result: https://wynndata.tk/s/xgo0uc

    Overall, I think this effectively means I got pretty decent spell costs, at a cost of kinda negligible mana regen, hpr and damage. It is interesting since now that I have no need for Health Potions, I can pack a bunch of spare mana potions I get from lootrunning and go bursts if I ever feel like it, and the lowered spell costs means I would have a higher effective mana pool technically speaking, compared to before with expensive spells and eh mana regen.


    Edit: Far Cosmos was definitely a good call. 1 Mana Rally Heals is actually pretty great!

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    New Update, probably final. I have tweaked and reworked this build, given that I didn't have enough mana sustain for guild wars DPS, and I don't have enough survivability to survive guild wars either. I have came to the final conclusion: Crafted Int Rings. (I know, very cheesy, but it is the final piece of the puzzle!)

    Using them, alongside a new crafted spear with emphasis on Int, Def and Agi Skill Points (thank to DXP weekend, I now have access to Lvl 105 Weaponsmithing!), I now have a build which has 1 mana uppercuts (averaging 11k on first hit, 15k total), with a sustainable HPR, access to ROTS heal spell, and 132k EHP (166k EHP with War Scream!). And I managed it in-game!

    The main armor set is still about the same as the previous builds, the only thing we are switching is the rings, weapon and also back to Dragon's Eye Bracelet!

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    Personally got these off the trade market, but if you want to craft them yourself, here's the recipe! https://wynndata.tk/cr/428556761
    (Note due to 1.20, it's nerfed slightly, max 45 intelligence, but wynndata seem to have saved previous crafts of it. Try manually recrafting it in the crafter for updated stats)

    Currently, if you run around a bit and let the durability go to 0, you only suffer 10% of the negative ids. Which is very nice, although seems a bit unintended. If one day negative ids no longer decay, damage will surely suffer, but thankfully the existence of Rainbow Sanctuary means you only suffer a not-so catastrophic amount of damage loss.
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    Why Death Or Glory?

    Wanted to name it Courage since it is somewhat of a tank weapon, but that's boring, so I google search a synonym for it and turns out death-or-glory is one of the results.
    If you have godly int rings (that is, if you got ones that would carry you to 147 int without needing int on the weapon), you can replace Depth's Gem for another Retinal's Barbs for even more tankiness!

    Even better, it has much more durability in comparison to Prismatix! (Which I won't miss at all)

    The recipe: https://wynndata.tk/cr/419924805

    It would be rude for me to not state this, but I took inspiration of slapping skill points on weapons from this post.

    The build: https://wynndata.tk/s/rf3t29 (Currently there's a bug where Wynndata don't seem to count SP from the weapon, so I added it manually to fix it)
    Using Wynnbuilder to calculate EHP (Since only skill points and non-crafted gear matter for that department): [Link]

    Now slap some fire powders and you get even more damage with endurance, which is what I did (you will notice the difference while grinding in church).

    With this, I can rest, knowing that I have made a warrior build that doesn't need potions, has decent damage, sustainable mana, and die less now (lol). I do feel it is gonna be as good as it is gonna get... for now at least!

    So in summary...

    Rainbow Slap the build, with ROTS, Boreal and the crafted stuff we make along the way
    Offensive: 1 mana 15k uppercuts with War Scream. Access to Courage, take hits to increase damage via Endurance.
    Defensive: Up to 1.4k HPR (very dependent on Boreal), 133k EHP / 166k EHP with War Scream (About 65k without agility). Access to ROTS Rally Heal.
     
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