SPOILER Stuff About 1.20

so in 1.20 update we see this epic fight between Lari and Bak'al with Lari ending up winning, Bak'al retreating to Dern, and Lari following him. However if we look at the lore of Anya's Penumbra, it says:

"The brightest light cannot defeat the darkest dark"

And Lari is a light creature

I think you guys see where this is going

We even hear Lari have a mental breakdown when entering Dern, and then getting cut off mid sentence. So Lari is either dead of consumed by the Dern creatures. Which begs the question, is it possible to destroy the darkness?

Well, if we look at the second part of Anya's Penumbra:

"Only one who knows both can survive"


So Anya is basically saying you have to master Taoism in order to stop all the bad stuff in Wynn. And if we look at the deeds the player did, I think we already did, in the form of quests.

examples of good deeds in quests:
Cook assistant
Old finding the light
Flight in Distress

Examples of bad deeds in quests:
Hunter's Calling
Kingdom of Sand
That one quest where u kill Cluckles (I forgot the name bruh)

As we can see, the player has done it's fair share of bad and good. So now it makes sense how we are able to kill the pupil of the dern beast: because we know both light and dark. So this means the player is the only person capable of taking down the darkness.

TLDR: Lari is probably dead and the player is light's only hope

 

Ah yes dropping Lari is dead as the name of the thread.

 

I don't think Hunter's Calling counts as a bad quest cause all the events that happen in it are not real and I know the ghost says some stuff about how we, the player, want the cut scenes to end after we complete each one. Can't quote it word for word but I think that's what happened?

 

It says "survive". That doesn't mean we can stop anything.
However intersting thing is that it points towards twilight. Hmmm

Most humans have done good and bad deeds, making them by this logic capable of killing Dern Beast.

I think it means understanding the balance of them, more in a philosofical than doing both bad and good things.

 

Hmm. Doesn't wynnexcavation part 4 say that when light and dark meet they make corruption? So wouldn't Lari technically be corrupted? Well then by that logic the obelisk in Lutho would also be corrupted, so we can't depend on that.

 

Inside the obelisk there is some bits of corruption where the dernic spikes are

 

First of all: You should've waited for 1.20 to come out before posting this thread. Please change the title to something else or have @WithTheFish move this to the HB subforum.

Second of all: She's totally dead. She claimed to have been able to defeat Bak'al but the problem is that Bak'al uses the power of taoism to his advantage and therefore is far more powerful than Lari. He 100% ran away like he did when Bob fought him. Bak'al is a proven coward. Then again, why didn't he have soldiers? Plus, he said Lari was ''an equally strong opponent'' which completely devalidates the lore provided by Anya's Penumbra. Perhaps it was mental trickery to lower her guard? Anyway, at the end of her spiritual contact with you inside of the nexus of light, she pretty much panics and is cut off.

This strongly implies that she was killed by something. Something powerful. There is obviously a dark version of her if Bak'al is the taoism equivalent. Maybe it was them? Or maybe.. It was something darker...

 

What?

You mean the fact he is Corrupted?

 

ty for the spoilers

 

We’re gonna have to fight corrupted Lari in Dern, aren’t we

 

corruption is taoism so yes

 

Bak'al is her opposite.

Besides, considering how the corruption war is currently going, Bak'al obviously isn't succeeding either. From his perspective, he's even worse off than Lari.

 

In what sense?

Lari is good and Light, but Bak'al, although evil, is not Dark, he is Corruption (in the meaning that he is not being creature of the Dark but rather a creature of the Corruption. He is not the source of it or leader of it. There can't be one)

Lari's opposite would propably be the parasite or some really powerful counterpart of the elves/helioluxes in Dern.

He is her opponent, but not opposite.

 

so are you suggesting Lari is better than Bak'al?

 

Since bak'al is Taoism, no. Bak'al is a mix of light and dark and therefore capable of using both magics. He used dark magic against Lari because he knew that even the lightest light could not extinguish the darkest dark. If he were to fight a being of true darkness, however, he would be screwed. A possible theory is that he couldn't defeat Bob because Bob had not only trained for 80 years but had been using a Dernic weapon that could change into 4 different weapons, an item of true darkness yet one wielded by a light master

 

Taoism advocates for keeping in harmony with one’s surroundings, and accepting the balance between good and the evil while finding peace in it.
Corruption is literally the opposite as it’s borne by both sides trying to destroy one another; it stems from an all out war in and with one’s surroundings. Plus, Bak’al serves the Dern Beast, which is very much not keeping the balance of nature. If anything, Bridge of the Divide is the closest we have to a tao representation.

 

lmao so the new character who appears in a dozen quests just dies? that sounds even worse than The Envoy and DnD characters. Granted, I know nothing of the new questline but having the "main character" die is something I completely despise in storytelling and something my little a** brain cannot justify.

glad i had absolutely no hype for this update.

 

No, Lari is not confirmed to die. I don’t believe she has, although I might be an optimist here. She sends a message while traveling through the portal with Bak’al which cuts off when she reaches, we think, Dern. It makes complete sense that it would cut off, considering she is the one being of light in a province of overpowering darkness. She probably no longer has the power to broadcast her message.

Nowhere does it say that she has died. I can see why one would think so, but I believe the more probable answer is that she has reached Dern and simply cannot transmit her message anymore.

In fact, the Dern quests might be about saving her and stopping the Dern Beast together. It seems like a logical progression of events.

 

No. Bak'al should be technically better her.

Bit depends what the CT do...

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He would be only screwed because the Beast's power is exponentially greater.

If the powers would be the same Bak'al shouls win

 

He’s not. They’re both opposites, as I said before. Neither are exactly greater than the other.

besides, Light cannot fully extinguish Darkness.. but who said Darkness can fully extinguish Light, either?

this whole “Taoism” thing that you guys are talking about isn’t something that Bak’al represents, either. If he was then the Corruption War would have ended a long time ago. Corruption does not represent this “Taoism”. It’s a violent, horrifying pestilence with no ring or rhyme to it and absolutely no sophistication or intelligence. It simply spreads to every uncorrupted corner it can. Corruption isn’t a neutral ground between light and dark. It’s essentially the nuclear fallout that fucks up everything after light and dark create an atomic blast.