Divzer Update Locks It To Etw With -defense

imo twf just needs to be nerfed, it's the root of a lot of seemingly strong items like divzer and black

i don't believe you
the 20k divzer currently reaches is not worth losing all defensive sp, and neither would pushing it up a little through etw
you'd have to have legitimately massive damage for this to be worth

 

Killing things with great efficiency is fine when its just small mobs from far away, but it is now almost impossible to do any sort of dungeon bosses or the sort. No matter what kind of build you have without the ability to have defense or agility you'd get shredded as an archer. The high damage output by divzer just isnt sustainable as you may be able to out damage and kill things before they get the chance to attack, but the first mob that you cant kill instantly will kill you ever quicker.

 

spawn protection

 

Not to mention that freedom exists, which doesn't sacrifice either.

 

this is just my opinion but freedom isn't inherently broken. it's strength came almost purely from the introduction of busted items that it can readily use, like nighthawk, rainsanc and okr.

i think divzer is in a similar position: its design isn't itself the root of the problem, therefore nerfing it directly isn't appropriate.

im not sure what you mean

 

the post said only 5 items could minus stack that applied to ETW but I remembered aphotic could if you had invested 100 into intel

 

-80 dex on divzer seems legit

 

Ahh I didn’t see it I’m dumb

 

Well just don't hold divzer if you are running away... That is how I deal with any weapons that reduces/kills your survivability
But yes 90% of the arguments above are valid though, they shouldn't limit a playstyle of a mythic, cuz even Gaia can be used in EWA builds ;-;

 

You mean using a -80 dex helmet, for a 115 dex required mythic?

 

yeah im dumb didn't see that

 

You jest but during elem revamp beta testing, when -tier got nuked except for Aphotic, I used Aphotic with thunder weapons sometimes because it was often the best option. This was when it even had the -thunder damage.

 

Gotta agree with this. I can agree that divzer was slightly op pre-nerf, but I wouldn't call this change a nerf. This isn't nerfing the item, but instead killing it. Using archer without any def or agi is practically like begging to die. I think the old ls/ms nerfs were fair, but this -def nerf just kills the item and makes it completely unusable.

 

If TW(F) built divzer is able to compete with ETW divzer even after all the 40-100 defense sp get deleted, that just means ETW items aren't good enough to make up for the extra 40-100 sp that they have applied to their stats over the new TW(F) builds. ETW has already had draoi too, which for a storm spam archer meta is much more valuable than dragons eye. Alternatively, I believe that all the TW(F) divzer builds I've seen are much lower dps when they try to have any defense, and just a waste of sp when they only reach 40 or 50 for TWF reqs.

I still argue that divzer users shouldn't be forced into these build styles that we don't necessarily like. Not just ETW or TW, but also fast hybrid.

Another note about people saying they can still have defense on new divzer builds: those same builds in 1.19 would have 73 additional defense with even more damage (because of nighthawk nerf, assuming they use nighthawk). Nobody builds 100+ defense divzer, because the builds are bad. They're no better if you use the same build with 73 less defense just because it's the only option to not die in 1 hit.

 

disclaimer: i personally am not a big fan of this nerf. i think it's perfectly fine as an item design, but i do not think it's something that belongs on a mythic. thanks.


despite everything this change means, compared to before, it might not be as bad as what a lot of people may think. keep in mind with the addition of tomes, we have access to armour mastery tomes and can equip up to a max of 4. although we don't know exactly how strong endgame armour mastery tomes will be, we can assume that they can offer a large enough survivability boost to prevent oneshot scenarios (if i recall correctly, +8% less damage taken was the best we've found, four of these being equivalent to about 38 def sp. higher levelled tomes may be stronger than this).

 

Tomes aren't unique to divzer. If divzer is acceptable because it gets 32% dmg reduction, then everything else that can actually be built with some defense will even more survivability. I'm assuming it's also a tradeoff between choosing damage boosting and defense tomes, in which case divzer users who don't want to die easily are forced into missing out on these large dmg boosts (assuming they're comparable to 8% dmg reduction each) that other weapons not locked out of defense can utilize to further increase their damage.

 

not gonna argue here, just gonna correct you on one thing:

Spoiler: tome slots

as can be seen in the above image, each slot is specifically there for a certain type of tome. using armour mastery tomes wont stop me from using weapon mastery tomes, and vice versa

 

I second this. I have done alot of building with etw and I have only found it a good archetype with mythics. Even with mythics there are usually better options.

 

I hope this gets reverted like it was last update.