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Warrior/Knight Help Critique My Hero Build

Discussion in 'Class Builds' started by Invinci, Oct 31, 2020.

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  1. Invinci

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    I found this ETA Hero build with impressive damage using slayer and wondered if I could do something similar but use earth powders, as Saviour's Sacrifice works wonderfully with rage. My reference was this awesome Hero build by RenZenthio.

    This is what I came up with. It has lower uppercuts than the first build, but has 3 armour pieces with rage. This is where I need help. Which build will do more damage at 30% health?

    I'd appreciate any feedback on my build, or responses to my question. @RenZenthio I'd love if you could take a look, you seem to be the resident Hero expert.

    EDIT: I don't want to bump this thread for no reason, but I thought I'd mention that I have now purchased a Hero :)
    Thanks for all your help.
     
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    RenZenthio Murder the gods and topple their thrones! HERO

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    Your build is tankier than the first build shown, but about 3/5ths as tanky as my build

    My build at 30%:
    19.5k boosted EHP counting only def
    100k boosted EHP with agi

    your build at 30%:
    11k boosted EHP counting only def
    57k boosted EHP with agi

    Ironically your build, even with rage, gets less uppercut damage at 30% than the first build (especially if we consider killstreak/dodge powdering)

    First builds uppers at 30% (Not considering powder specials on the armor): 32.7k uppers
    Your build + rage: 32k uppers

    (all EHP calculations are factoring in warrior base)

    EDIT:
    The original Makani build EHP stuff at 30%:
    8.6k boosted EHP counting only def
    45k boosted EHP with agi
     
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    Okay, thanks for figuring that out. I don't have a hero yet, but I would have been hesitant to put thunder powders on it without knowing that. What is the rage uppercut damage of your build at 30%?
    Also does Saviour's Sacrifice apply to damage after all other calculations? Would it affect raw melee damage from armour for example?
     
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    RenZenthio Murder the gods and topple their thrones! HERO

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    my build is 28k uppers

    It affects raw damage, and it’s after all calculations except war scream (it overrides war scream)
    So take upper damage without war scream and multiply by 1.5

    I’ll make a saviours EHP calculator today or tomorrow btw
     
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    RenZenthio Murder the gods and topple their thrones! HERO

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    Also, keep in mind my build has better ele defs, I found out the hard way that ele defs matter a bit on Hero since they ignore defense bonuses and saviour’s
    (This won’t matter too much unless you play recklessly, but it’s still a thing to consider)
     
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    Invinci Discord Invinci#6319 CHAMPION

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    Thanks again. It would be nice if wynndata had an adjustable health bar.
    That's good to know. Your threads have inspired me to start saving up for a Hero, I look forward to playing with it.
    Considering what you've found, would you advise earth or thunder powders?
     
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    RenZenthio Murder the gods and topple their thrones! HERO

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    np :)
    I’m glad my threads have been helpful, and that I’ve inspired people to use Hero, lol

    I mean, earth, thunder, and air powders are strong on Hero. Air is the most versatile (my build can be used with air hero and dodge powdered armor, I prefer rage for the more consistent damage though). I really like my build (With rage powders) though, so I’m not a good person to ask this question, lol.

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    Air powders actually get slightly more damage on my build, just more inconsistently. Also, air powders would prolly be superior when saviour’s gets buffed to 50%
     
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    Are you both going to completely ignore the fact that it's nigh impossible to make efficient use of ms/ls/powder special on both builds because you're at super fast atk speed...
     
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    RenZenthio Murder the gods and topple their thrones! HERO

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    On my build I use snow shovel or atlas to proc ms and ls

    The other builds are fast hybrid
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    Also, replace suppression with moon pool circlet or coral ring or something, the -ms is unnecessary

    (scratch that, those have intel reqs, just don’t use suppression I reckon, unless you don’t care about those builds being fast hybrid)

    EDIT:
    Summa seems like a good option

    Also, I meant to quote OP here, but forgot, lol
     
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    I don't really intend to use the build I made after what you found with the damage, it was more of an experiment.
    I think I'll go with earth over air, I prefer the power special.
    Thanks so much for all your help.
     
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