Guide Item Baselines – Base Damage, Base Health And Ingredient Durability

The Wynn item system uses multiple baselines for an easier creation of items. Baselines, in case you didn’t know, are a guideline for values. I’ve more or less found the baselines for health on armour, base damage on weapons and duration / durability on ingredients. I hope this’ll help people with making custom items, see certain balance choices, or compare items to baseline in order to better understand items.


KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS NOT 100% ACCURATE. I HAVE NO OFFICIAL NUMBERS OR FORMULAS.


1. Ingredients
1.1 Duration
1.2 Durability
2. Health
2.1 Base Values
2.2 Modifiers
3. Weapon Base Damage
3.1 Base Values
3.2 Modifiers

1. Ingredients

I know ingredients aren’t the most popular, but durability or duration is incredibly important in judging ingredients, and the baseline is actually quite easy and linear. There are a few common exceptions or modifications of the baseline as well, for example ingredients with ingredient effectiveness tend to be above baseline.

1.1 Duration

The formula for duration is

Tier 3: -(108 + level * 1.8)
Tier 2: -(70 + level * 1.2)
Tier 1: -(50 + level * 0.8)
Tier 0: -(35 + level * 0.6)

These values are used for alchemism and scribing. Cooking uses a different formula, which seems to simply triple the results of the earlier formula. Yes, this is why cooking + alchemism/scribing ingredients have such a high duration penalty.

1.2 Durability

The formula for durability is

Tier 3: -(52 + level * 1.08)
Tier 2: -(34 + level * 0.70)
Tier 1: -(23 + level * 0.49)
Tier 0: -(17 + level * 0.35)

This is used with all ingredients using durability, however, ingredients with jeweling tend to go below baseline quite often.

2. Health

The base values for health on armour is the same for all pieces, there is nno difference between different types. I have the base values in a chart below (there doesn’t seem to be an easy formula for it), all you need to then do is apply the rarity modifiers. Most of the base values are simply the normal tier armor, if you are curious.

2.1 Base Values



2.2 Modifiers
To get a ‘base health’ for an armour piece at a certain level with a certain rarity, take the value in the chart and multiply it with the corresponding modifier.

Normal: * 1
Unique: * 1.25
Set: * 1.3125
Rare: * 1.3775
Legendary: * 1.625
Fabled: * 1.875
Mythic: * 2.125

Crafted:
For T3 mats: *1.75
For T2 mats: *1.55
For T1 mats: *1.25
Because of crafted item health being slightly random, the true health can be up to a few percent higher.

3. Weapon Base Damage

Base damage is a bit annoying to calculate, but it works like this:

(Baseline Value) / (Attack Speed Modifier) * (Rarity Modifier) * (Class Base Damage) * (Design Modifier)

To explain:
Baseline value: The values in the chart. These are mostly from averaging, which is why they’re rounded.

Attack Speed Modifier: Slower attack speeds have more damage in a single punch than faster ones, and this is accounted for with the base damage.

Rarity Modifier: Or, why mythics are so powerful. The rarer the item, the higher the modifier.

Class Base Damage: Most classes have lower or higher damage compared to the baseline, which results in an additional multiplier.

Design Modifier: The total of offensive, defensive and elemental modifiers to the baseline, plus the percentage an item is above or under baseline. This last one only matters when trying to calculate baseline comparisons with weapons.

3.1 Base Values



These are roughly as accurate as I could find them, I'd rather avoid interpolating but I might add the currently empty level gaps later.

3.2 Modifiers

Attack Speed Modifier:
Super Fast: * 4.27
Very Fast: * 3.11
Fast: * 2.56
Normal: * 2.05
Slow: * 1.46
Very Slow: * 0.82
Super Slow: * 0.51

Rarity Modifier:
Normal: * 0.8
Unique: * 1.0
Set: * 1.05
Rare: * 1.1
Legendary: * 1.3
Fabled: * 1.5
Mythic: * 1.7

Note that these all change somewhat over the levels- the lower in levels these are, the less accurate they'll likely be. I will try to find these and add them later.

Class Base Damage
Mage: * 0.6
Warrior: * 0.8
Assassin: * 1.0
Archer: * 1.2
Shaman: * 1.2

Design Modifiers
Offensive: +5%
Hyperoffensive: +10%
Defensive: -5%
Hyperdefensive: -10%
Earth: +5%
Thunder: +5%
Water: -5%
Fire: -5%
Dual-Element (dual reqs): +5%
Rainbow: +15%
1 slot: +5%
0 slot: +10%

4. Extra Stuff

Normal tier modifier actally deviates from the baseline at lower levels, as
1 - 100%
5 - 100%
10 - 100%
15 - 95%
20 - 90%
25 - 85%
30+ - 80%


If you have any questions or corrections (hi Item Team!), please post them.
Thanks to:
@hgbrd for remembering some modifiers and help with weapon baseline
@Xavi for providing a few points of certainty
@Selvut283 for telling me the normal tier modifier across the levels, as well as some corrections and additions to the design modifiers.
Salted for making this thread, which was quite helpful.

(i'll be posting an addendum on how i got the things i calculated myself at a later time- it's mostly bragging about how much time i've wasted)

 

POG TY BART
procrastination aaa

 

bart em see
a modern day hero

 

press F for Fire, -5% even though Air doesn't take a hit

 

What about the baselines for the health of crafted armor and the base damage for crafted weapons?

 

Ah, I actually had those written down somewhere but forgot to include them.

For T3 mats: *1.75
For T2 mats: *1.55
For T1 mats: *1.25
Because of crafted item health being slightly random, the true health can be up to a few percent higher.

I've added them to the guide, thanks!

 

Baselines EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

No problem! What about for combinations of tiers? Do you happen to have any data on how much the damage range varies for each level range, material grade, and attack speed?

 

woah it happened

 

This is actually pretty cool, thank you bart simpson minecraft

 

Updated the base damage baseline a bit, the previous didn't entirely use the correct speed modifiers and had some.. sketchy averaging. Also fixed some typos because I for some reason always end up writing these late at night.

The old baseline is below.

Spoiler

(don't ask about the second level 98, take a look at the normal tier weapons and you'll understand)

 

This... is beautiful. Thank you

What does this part mean though:
The formula for durability is

Tier 3: -(52 + level * 1.08)
Tier 2: -(34 + level * 0.70)
Tier 1: -(23 + level * 0.49)
Tier 0: -(17 + level * 0.35)

as I read it, a lvl 1 T3 helmet should have -53.08 durability. But it has 254 to 255 durability.

 

this is for ingredient durability penalty, not armor durability.
so for armor durability, you need to get the base durability of armor(not listed in here) then subtract the ingredient durability from those formula and u get your resulting durability.

 

bumping the thread

Spoiler: i guess i'll fill in with some nitpick proofreading suggestions

"understand" -> "see"

inconsistent with each other

possibly edit to "There are a few common exceptions or modifications of the baseline as well. For example, ingredients with ingredient effectiveness tend to be above baseline."

missing punctuation, maybe "The formula for X is as follows:"

"earlier formula" -> "above formula"

"with" -> "for"
"ingredients with jeweling" -> "jeweling ingredients"

"nno" -> "no"

there's no period in these headers, unlike the rest of them

"in the chart" -> "from the above chart"
this line should end in a colon imo

whitespace between "*" and the numbers isn't consistent with other lists you use

"Baseline value" -> "Baseline Value"
"have more damage in a single punch" -> "deal more damage in a single hit"
also line spacing doesn't make sense, maybe format the stuff into a bulleted list

this em-dash sucks

formatting isn't consistent with other lists you use; use colons?

credits for hgbrd and Xavi don't end with periods

k bye

 

You sound like my AP Language and Composition teacher

 

honestly feel like this would really help just in terms of making the game feel a bit more challenging because currently some lower level content can just feel too easy

 

Hey you don't happen to have a baseline for poison do you?

 

I do not, as from what I've heard the poison baseline is by far the weirdest and most inconsistent (as well as looking stupidly hard to figure out)- I could try, but I can't promise anything.

 

Got it. I already started compiling poison values from leggings and boots so I’ll share with you what I find.