Mythic Discussion Thread: Az

it sucks and it needs to be reworked
i dont see why we need an entire thread to say this, seeing as the entire intelligent community agrees with this statement

 

@Neptune look, look.

 

It's actually a TWF bow, with the elemental damages and spell costs making that very clear.

Az is a really good bow at level, but definitely falls in usefulness by the time you reach past level 90. It's just flat out outdamaged, and increasing base damage isn't a very good option either due to it being as low level as it is. A few ideas I've had in the past are:
- making it super fast, so powders would have more effect (except Cluster literally already does this)
- giving it a ton of negative spell costs (probably even more -1st % than it has right now, and -1 raw 3rd spell)
- giving it Hawkeye, but Nighthawk already makes that easy to get everywhere
- heavy spell bow (heavy spell bow)

Either way, Az probably deserves to get something cool like Pure, and Archangel does as well (still want Roving Assassin on that one). Apocalypse and Aftershock are already very good in their own right.

 

I definitely think that Az should be buffed, but adding a flat damage/dps buff to compete with Divzer could hurt Divzer's place in the meta. If Az was given a damage/dps buff to where it's better than Cluster but worse than Divzer it would probably still be irrelevant. To avoid this, maybe Az should be given a stat that makes it a solid secondary bow to use at higher levels, like - escape cost or + HPR (Would make archer lr more relevant)?

 

Az needs some sort of creative niche. A numbers buff isn't healthy, since there's nothing really special about the bow other than the 1st spell cost (which would be huge if archer in its current state wasn't "nighthawk spellspam hahaha").

• Pure was made viable with a healthy tradeoff (much more mana consumption, but endgame level damage), while Az wasn't (nothing of value gained with no tradeoff)
• Heavy spell bow!
• Spell cost bow *with* mana support that lets you build damage only while ignoring int and any mana items? Would be interesting but would be pretty one-dimensional

Asking about the community consensus on an item that has a clear community consensus is a bit weird, among other things, but I'm glad there aren't any obvious errors! (other than the TWA labeling but that's understandable, no one is perfect)

 

It should be reworked. For example Pure got the new major id and now its a super good weapon... but Az is still worthless to me

 

What about some random major ID
Thunderclap: have a 5% chance on hit to summon a lightning bolt,which sets the enemy on fire for 3 seconds, dealing 100% damage on each hit (fire hits every second).

 

Immediately no

N O

 

It'd encourage tierstack tho...
I could change it to per hit. That'd mean you can't abuse Hawkeye.
Edit: changed it.

 

extra damage-based major IDs are always flawed anyway :/

 

True. Though who wants az to become a utility mythic?

 

Corrupted Witherhead's Bow

 

it should stay where it is because its easy to buy cheap, rr and sell for cheap but +1 le.... or so I think idk im not into mythics market don't quote me on this

if you ever decide to do one on ArchangeL, tag me right away

 

Yeah no, balance really shouldn’t be based on the economy, especially not mythic balance.

I’d say the best course of action would be to make Az either a hyper-spell spam bow or a heavy spell bow. TWF is already at least partially based around reducing spell costs (Anima Cuirass and Demon Tide), so having some form of interplay based around that, either by allowing you to spam insane amounts of spells or by using TWF items to reduce the cost of your insanely powerful spells, would give it a unique niche no other bow has and would probably make it a viable option.

 

yeah I was kidding a bit ofc, but I do believe not every weapons, mythics alike, have to be the best at something, sLidurrr apparently out damage ArchangeL but ArchangeL is still tankier, not only damage matters

 

The reason apoc and pure are good endgame is because they become more powerful as you level and can scale really well with gear you unlock as you level. this isn't the case with az or arch unfortunately. Personally I would like to see az get more spell costs to make it a bit more unique.

 

Giving AZ -spell costs would be perfect. Give AZ -8 on all spells would be crazy. Ambivalence AZ rivals Divzer in power. https://wynndata.tk/s/c5n37b
It's also useful and powerful at level and while leveling you can pick up some Thunder damage additives in the Hive. As for Archangel, something that would fit the lore and be useful all game is some sort of aggro control. For example, perhaps Archangel could have an ability that pacifies all mobs near the user for a time.

 

Isn’t that just spin attack tho? Or vanish?