Discussion About Every Mythic In The Game

Everyone can be vocal. When someone is wrong on basically everything though... maybe you need to learn the difference between facts and opinions?

I replied earlier with a very long list -_- (which you seemingly ignored?)

 

lament need a buff

 

Yes, but basically only when paired with slayer. It's pretty easy to build, just build HPR (if possible) and as much MR as possible, while trying to use rawspell items (since pure doesn't benefit that much from spell% due to having a high base spell%). In addition, you really need 1 cost meteors (if you really can't, 2 works i guess). Pure aims for 10k+ meteors and 13+ mr.

 

uh oh saya's back to being toxic

 

This thread looks odd to me. I'm going to criticise the descriptions of the four bows I use.

I think it's misleading to restrict your archetype pool to only tri-elementals. A simple WA build works just as well — it easily carries higher agility and walk speed than "the best" EWA variants. It sacrifices damage, but to levels that would be considered acceptable for non-offensive archers (9mr + 11k bombs). WFA is buildable with much better effective health and similar damages to WA. Spring also doesn't synergise with Draoi Fair as well as you claim. The positive arrow shield cost on Spring is easily worked around with intelligent management of spell casting as archers typically don't need to use arrow shield all the time, and therefore doesn't necessitate being counteracted by Draoi Fair.

Fog of Creation probably isn't viable enough to be relevant in this discussion, especially since more popular options like Cluster and Orange Lily haven't been mentioned elsewhere. You don't need to talk about the mana regen. Every build is going to integrate suitable levels of mana regen in order to accommodate for the weapon that is being used — Warp builds obviously demand more mana than mana-neutral legendaries like Cluster, which in turn demands less mana than Freedom and Spring. Despite this discrepancy, all three builds usually end up with similar amounts of mana overall. Whether a weapon has more or less mana isn't really going to have a significant impact on the overall mana regen of the build it is used on. A similar argument can be made for health — Stratiformis can still find itself 9k+ health overall despite its huge negative stat, whilst Freedom's positive stat doesn't even allow it to surpass healthless weapons like TWF Divzer or WFA Spring. It's more accurate to say that Freedom is an all-rounder bow with no drawbacks (and perhaps also with more damage than it deserves).

TWA Divzer is easily viable (although not nearly as good as TWF). Dual-wielding Return to Ether allows for a build that carries acceptable health, 12k bombs (Divzer), 1.5k lifesteal with chain lightning (Divzer), 130 agility (RtE), 9mr (RtE), close to triple-digit walk speed (RtE), and curse support (RtE), depending on which bow is held at any moment. TFA Divzer functions similarly in conjunction with Slayer, Dragon's Eye Bracelet and ZISST-esque items, with existent dual-wield candidates like Gale's Force and Stratiformis. I don't have a good understanding of Grandmother but I had a hunch that it outdamages Divzer. TWF doesn't "work like magic", just as TWA doesn't "work like magic" with Gale's Force or Cluster — TWF simply happens to be the standard archetype. Divzer also currently works as pure spell when combined with Resurgence.

Triple-digit walk speed isn't special. Freedom carries 50%. WA Spring carries around 75% without any sacrifices. Even Divzer carries triple-digits when dual-wielded with Return to Ether and built with a walk speed focus. Walk speed also isn't useful past a certain point — the reason it is needed is to allow builds that otherwise lack walk speed entirely (such as TWF Divzer) to be able to strafe and dodge more comfortably. Even outside of combat-oriented builds, Stratiformis isn't even mandatory as Gale's Force speed builds reliably reach near 200% walk speed anyway.



As a general comment, the langugage used in the mythic descriptions feels too expressive. For example, "ABSURDLY HIGH MOVEMENT SPEED THAT MAY AS WELL BE TRIPLE DIGITS" could be rewritten as "very high walk speed". These exaggerations characterise the original post as some sort of advertisement (or to some people, a scam or joke thread entirely) rather than a level-headed analysis on each mythic. Using more neutral wording like "high damage" or "more defensive skill points" helps to reduce the amount of bias that is carried by any connotations associated with expressive language. The same can be said for formatting — unless there exists a genuine need for emphasis, refraining from using bold or italicised font will result in a cleaner-looking post.

 

Hey it only happens when someone's completely and utterly wrong but still act like they're right while ignoring logic and criticism

well props to dazzle for actually editing i guess, but I'd feel much better about having someone who knows an adequate amount of information make a thread like this.

 

Oops I missed some armors.

Resurgence shouldn't be considered "endurance" when its main purpose is to supply intelligence (which isn't mentioned in this description) and mana regen. Spell Divzer is an example of an option that benefits from Resurgence.

I have nothing against Boreal, but the reference to WFA is very untrue. Refer to my previous post where I discussed WFA Spring. In general, offensive WFA functions well because there are sufficient damage options in its archetype. This includes slappable options such as Nighthawk, Intensity and the Ornate Shadow set, the relevant Sanctuary, and spell-oriented items like Aquarius, Memento and Capricorn. Offensive WFA has easy access to mana regen, mana steal, health regen, lifesteal and walkspeed. It also easily carries curse or courage, depending on weapon choice, which helps ease its lack of damage. WFA can also readily afford to sacrifice health due to its high defensive skill points.

 

Yeah literally one sentence. You're right.

 

Not very good ones.
1. That's my point.
2. Well apparently everyone except you knew. lol.
3. No shit. It's still not nearly as good as you think. Lament buff was/is super overhyped. Do the math (or search up the math that people already did weeks ago)
4. Absolution doesn't fix the weaknesses of Shaman, and doesn't play to its strengths either. Even Cryo is more deserving of the title.
5. Thanks
6. Dawnbreak just doesn't work well in actual builds
7. Mana steal on pure being bad was my point :/
8. It's pretty mediocre when you can just 1/1/1/1 The Nothing with better damage or go full tank.
9. Toxo cancelstack has been around for a while now. It plays to toxo's strengths, gives it more general use capabilities, and still retains the poison (ofc)
10. I'm mocking the nonexistent potential that many rainbow weapons have in the current state of items. The lack of build flexibility and the lack of scaling is quite apparent to all but the most ignorant.
11. Yeah I think we agree on this one, it's helpful but my point is that you're going to have high int anyway and your spell cycle will work regardless of the major id, rendering it pretty ineffective.
12. And? It sees little practical use. You theorize a lot (see: dawnbreak, collapse, etc) but in practice, stuff doesn't work.



This one's a bit special. You really don't try, huh.

13. Uh... I have. You do realize that GMA's -hpr is countered by two items (elder oak roots, gaea hewn boots) and that allows you to completely disregard it without murdering the build like you did? The build you linked has 17k bombs, but terrible costs, very little mana, and is overall just bad. It's a rainbow slap mess of mediocrity.

Don't believe me? Here's some words from someone else.





14. Can't disagree with that (but it's not much of a counterpoint)
15. Revamp names are so elitist. Letter combos are so much more accessible. Yikes.
16. You basically stated something true that doesn't really address what I said.
17. :)
18. Wow, one meh overdrive cancelstack where dawnbreak works better. Reqs matter in other builds, you know.
19. But it's not used practically. I think this statement completely counters most of your points, tbh.
20. Read the thread where Sunstar got released. Lol. I'll link you a few builds though. https://wynndata.tk/s/50o8ft (<- meme), https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/sunstar-eta-hybrid.262396
21. Health for extreme walkspeed builds is a thing... It's obvious to everyone that archangel doesn't have the damage. Think about its strengths.
22. :)
23. I wouldn't call that a tank build by any stretch of the imagination. It's TFA doing TFA things.
24. :)
25. 25 never existed :(



So... Basically all of your counterpoints are as flawed as your original post. Nice.
I think we should cut this off sometime in the near future (preferably now), it's getting pretty disappointing. I'm just waiting for someone to make a thread that isn't plagued with mistakes and bias.

 

bro you just gave up on your own concept (%hpr) and switched to saya's (raw hpr) what do you mean lmao

bro bro bro bro
TFA cant just "be built to tank", it's inherently tanky. it's literally the spell-steal tank tri. it has BOTH defensive elements in it, how are TFA tank builds anything BUT archetypical/stereotypical tanks????

 

Thank you this was highly entertaining you made my day

 

nulli shouldn't do that little damage, wtf am i looking at

idk what your point here is, as far as i can tell their initial argument was that grandmother was spell, not hybrid. in response you showed... a pure spell build? i think you're on the same page

i don't think blind thrust was ever mentioned to be objectively better, and naturally dawnbreak is better for certain uses. it's not a completely unreasonable statement to say that overall, in terms of general and common application, blind thrust is a superior item

i don't entirely disagree with some of what you're stating, and while the person you're replying to is certainly being mildly elitist, many of their points are valid and are worth considering instead of getting defensive

 

yep I'm just here eating my popcorn

 

Ok I'm not even good at class building, and there are definitely a few points to be made here, although no need to be overly toxic saya.

Toxo cancelstack yes, is a thing. But how is toxo's value from punishing cactus builds? It functions off the stupid use of reflection/thorns triggering on whoever hit you, but instead of your damage (thorns should be your damage), their amount of poison hits you instead. (This

Not necessarily, especially in conc stacking builds where that will decrease your dps by quite a bit.

Please don't be toxic. You can defend your thread without being toxic, and please don't use revamp names because
A. That was cancelled months ago
B. It was cancelled because it sucked ass
C. Hardly anyone remembers their translation into regular element combos
D. Using regular combo names is actually easier for almost every player in general E. Anyone can explain what they mean if you can see what elements they are eg TFA is generally no int spell steal or just steal tank (thunder=steal, fire and air, especially together, are tank, and a lack of water for -int)

 

This went from a nice, albeit somewhat flawed thread to a toxic argument in under a day. Please, peace.