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Assassin/Ninja Help Slider Build - Need Feedback

Discussion in 'Class Builds' started by J_Lo777, Apr 1, 2020.

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    J_Lo777 Wynn Artist CHAMPION

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    All right so a few things

    For all the builds, if you're going to utilize mana steal that much why not use Atlas to get the most consistent steals?

    All the builds would also work way better if you just used BPC instead of stuff like prowess and intensity as a master hive item. (Both cumu and unravel are worse for TWA than BPC)

    (Prowess is super unnecessary and literally useless in this case, replace it with something like atlas or vortex bracer)
     
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    J_Lo777 Wynn Artist CHAMPION

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    What's BPC? And also I didn't use atlas coz I don't like having low atk speed

    Edit: Boreal Patterned Crown?
     
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    Yes, boreal patterned crown.

    Also you do understand that mana steal will proc way more consistently with a slow attack speed and since your builds have a lot of ms it'd be useful.

    its not like you will otherwise even use melee with slider lol
     
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    You come to hate having low atk speed when u have a crappy connection...super slow atk speed = I'm probably not gonna ever hit anything due to lag...

    Never knew that ms procs more consistently with a slow attack speed, good to know :D but why tho?
     
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    Ms and ls is designed to proc every 4s of meeleing so you dont have to meele so much
     
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    ...Uh if that's the reason then there isn't really much difference in consistency between fast atk speed and slow atk speed in triggering ms and ls...it's 4 seconds either way...
     
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    Lemme explain

    A super slow melee hit takes 2 secs and the chance to proc is 49%. That means on average it takes 4 seconds to get ms to proc, hence the /4s id.

    A super fast melee can do 4.3 hits per second so in order to make ms proc once every four seconds (on average) the chance needs to be 5.8%

    so thats why people prefer super slow speed, its more consistent.
     
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    Wait so if it goes by percentages for triggering like this, then it doesn't actually trigger every 4 seconds? Like can it trigger less than every 4 seconds?
     
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    Here’s @Druser write up on item stats: https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/stats-and-identifications-guide.246308/. The slower the weapon, the higher the percentage of ms/ls activating. Idk what the percentages are, but I do know with my tier stack apoc warrior. If it’s one on one, ls may not activate. While if I’m fighting a mob, there are more chances to activate ls. If I only use some of the tier stack, ls kicks in more frequently one on one.

    But, even tho I do not have a bad connection, I do not like as a playing style cancel stack.
     
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    Ahhh so it trigger per 4 seconds on average, but it can trigger either quicker or slower than 4 secs I see, ty :D
     
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    I found another explanation of how ms/ls works by @Madkurre: https://forums.wynncraft.com/thread...eds-are-preferred-for-mana-life-steal.250895/. Definitely look at the link “here”. Idk how accurate the percentages are, but you can get the feel of why slower weapons are more consistent with ls/ms.

    edit: corrected thread link.
     
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    dude at first i read spider build then i realized it was slider build
    i am crushed
     
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    That’s what I thought at first too.
     
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    oh sorry i didnt really read the whole thread all that carefully, just the quote i got
     
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