SPOILER Hunted Mode

Rimuwu · Nov 12, 2019

I might be missing out on something since the beta "only just started", but from what I have seen, the Hunted Mode only gives you a bonus of 1.42 times the normal amount of xp you would be getting.
Thats a flat xp bonus of 42% for gathering..

Now is it just me, or is it just REALLY not worth it the risk of getting swarmed by players in combat gear and losing all your equipment for a flat 42% bonus?

Crokee · Nov 12, 2019

NajimiChan said: ↑

I might be missing out on something since the beta "only just started", but from what I have seen, the Hunted Mode only gives you a bonus of 1.42 times the normal amount of xp you would be getting.
Thats a flat xp bonus of 42% for gathering..

Now is it just me, or is it just REALLY not worth it the risk of getting swarmed by players in combat gear and losing all your equipment for a flat 42% bonus?
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There was an issue Kaas had brought up over at the main changelog thread specifically about this:

_Kaasblokje_ said: ↑

I must say that I am extremely hyped about this update, but there are a few major issues and questions that I want to adress:
To start of:
How will Shaman Reliks be crafted? Will there be a new a new crafting station or will reliks be added to woodworking for example?
I fear that this might make certain gathering types better than others, making the market for gathering quite imbalanced.

The thing I fear the most would definitely be hunted mode, the fact that exp gain, especially gathering exp gain is greatly increased during hunted mode is without a doubt an enormous issue.
As someone who has spend hundreds of hours gathering (I even am in the top 10 highest level gatherers out there), I can confidently say that if hunted mode will actually give a decent amount gathering exp, the entire gathering market will simply crash to the damn ground.

You might think "Oh but players will hunt gatherers so it will equal out". But this definitely won't make a difference. Most gathering locations are often in such extremely remote locations and there is such an enormous amount of good gathering spots out there that it will be nearly impossible to ever find a gathering player, especially when said gathering players can just join worlds with lower quantities of players in them.

Ofcourse comparing now to 1.19 hunted mode won't be completely fair, but in the current state of gathering, I would call myself lucky if I would ever see another player once every blue moon.

In the end, let's say everyone does hunt all the gatherers out there while also magically knowing the location of every gatherer, what difference will it make? If a gatherer uses hunted mode, it of course means they want extra gathering experience, this means that materials aren't their main focus, so even if they get killed, do you think they would care?
Ofcourse not. Because the only reason they went into hunted mode in the first place is because they wanted gathering exp so badly, that they would even risk losing materials.

Players won't even lose items or weapons, because who on earth would go into hunted mode with actual non-mythic items when the entire Wynncraft pvp system is basically "one-shot or get one-shotted", no one on earth would ever go into hunted mode with valuable items unless they want some sort of massive pvp battle with other friends they can trust.
The entire hunted mode meta will simply be: "be naked or have mythic boots + a mythic weapon".
All hunted mode will do with the current system which is described in the changelog will make the life of gatherers much easier and completely crash the market prices for materials,
because likely no one else will use hunted mode for reasons besides trying it once or twice.

Gatherers probably won't even lose many materials in the end:
Anyone could easily keep a friend or an alt on the lookout for any incoming hunters, and when anyone comes near, simply switch out of hunted mode in time, even if hunted mode has a 30 second cooldown (as an example) or possibly even more (but I highly doubt there will be a "turning off hunted mode timer" which will last as long as that, assuming there is one in the first place).

And even then, what will prevent players from just trading with their friend or alt account every once in a while and giving their materials to them, so that even if they get killed by hunters, they still won't lose any materials?

Now to end my whole essay about hunted mode, There is one major question I still have about it:
Does it affect quest and dungeon exp?
I really hope it doesn't because if it does indeed affect quest and dungeon exp rewards, players will easily be able to increase exp gain without any real risks whatsoever.
Because what will prevent players from just toggling on hunted mode right before finishing a quest or dungeon and then instantly turning it off almost instantly afterwards then?
Ofcourse hunted mode is for level 103+ only, which nearly nullifies the risk of quest abuse (again assuming it actually does affect quest rewards), but even then, players can still just skip a few level 90+ missions, unlock hunted mode, and then do the missions afterwards but this time with a (possibly) enormous exp boost gain from having hunted mode activated.

Going back to gathering again:
Gathering is, among other things, supposed to be another endgame option to make money besides lootrunning.
While it currently is a pretty decent way to make money at level 100+ gathering, it already falls flat from mythic grinding, while this may be hard to believe at first, you can freely ask any high level gatherer who also lootruns (such as psykko himself) which is better, hint: it is mythic grinding without a doubt, even if you take the massive RNG requirement for mythic running into account.
You may ask what is my point? Well besides what I already mentioned (the gathering market is basically already completely doomed without a single shred of a doubt if hunted mode gives a decent amount of bonus profession exp),
the gap between lootrunning and gathering will only grow bigger with the addition of fabled items.
Don't get me wrong, I am very hyped about fabled items and greatly interested in them.
But the one thing I fear about them is that they will buff lootrunning by making it a much more stable way of income, and thus making the gap between gathering for money and lootrunning for money only bigger in the end.

TL:DR
Hunted mode giving bonus combat and especially gathering exp is an absolutely horrible idea (just the exp gain, hunted mode itself is fine I guess) and will likely do nothing except completely annihilate the gathering economy.
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Here's my opinion on his reply:

Crokee said: ↑

I'm not going to totally argue against you because you do have a valid point, but even then, I don't think that many players will go further into professions with this change. Even if say double the players reach lv 100 in a gathering profession (from 100-200), that's still not a lot of players compared to the thousands and thousands of lv 100+ combat players. Sure, maybe the market for these materials may come down but it shouldn't drastically cause the market of T3 lv 100 mats to crash, maybe at most to 1 LE each, which is still quite a profit. Even then, the buff to gathering xp on hunted mode will need to be drastically high (>x3) in order to make that huge of a dent you describe, since it already takes like 20-30 hours to level up just 1 gathering skill from lv 1 to 100 with non-stop prof bombs and grinding. So overall, I welcome the change if hunted mode doesn't buff the xp too much (like maybe x1.5 at most).

I do however, see a problem where some trolls may just swoop in and kill hunted players doing professions for fun though.

On another hand, it would be nearly impossible to grind in xp parties like Dcave in hunted mode as all the spells being casted will eventually kill you. May I suggest that players in a party with the hunted gamemode on cannot kill each other to solve this problem?

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So um anyone gonna make a hunted profession player coalition party where those into professions are on hunted mode but agree to not kill each other...?
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Things to note:

Hunted players can't get damaged by their friends/party members/guild members. You could theoretically make a huge coalition and just make huge parties.

The 100 durability on tools will still make leveling up hard despite the flat 42% xp bonus on top of the extra 20-50% xp buff applied.

Some people may just run hunted mode with nothing but mythics and horses since those are guaranteed not to drop (memechief/fire weapon anyone?)

So in the end, it is worth it in my opinion, but as Kaas brought up, it may ruin the profession market.

Rimuwu · Nov 12, 2019

Crokee said: ↑

There was an issue Kaas had brought up over at the main changelog thread specifically about this:

Here's my opinion on his reply:

Things to note:

Hunted players can't get damaged by their friends/party members/guild members. You could theoretically make a huge coalition and just make huge parties.

The 100 durability on tools will still make leveling up hard despite the flat 42% xp bonus on top of the extra 20-50% xp buff applied.

Some people may just run hunted mode with nothing but mythics and horses since those are guaranteed not to drop (memechief/fire weapon anyone?)

So in the end, it is worth it in my opinion, but as Kaas brought up, it may ruin the profession market.
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True, though I think you have to differenciate:

Immediatly after the update, the servers are (presumably) going to be full as heck because of hype etc.
The risk of running into said trolls or just normal players hunting others is most certainly going to be higher for the first few weeks after the update, and for that, the 1.42x multiplier is not really going to be enough for convincing players to use hunted mode.
Yes. After the initial storming of players ends, then 1.42 sounds very fair, but b4 that, I just cant see that many players using hunted mode if the drawbacks are realistically high (say, you cant just run around with gear and switch to normal mode on a whim, etc. Maybe you can only switch back when you are inside a safe place?)
Also, if you die, you have a chance to lose your gathering tools.
And tbh, many ppl (or at least me) cant be ar*ed to seriously spamrun dungeons just for new gathering tools or new gathering xp armour.

Crokee · Nov 12, 2019

NajimiChan said: ↑

True, though I think you have to differenciate:

Immediatly after the update, the servers are (presumably) going to be full as heck because of hype etc.
The risk of running into said trolls or just normal players hunting others is most certainly going to be higher for the first few weeks after the update, and for that, the 1.42x multiplier is not really going to be enough for convincing players to use hunted mode.
Yes. After the initial storming of players ends, then 1.42 sounds very fair, but b4 that, I just cant see that many players using hunted mode if the drawbacks are realistically high (say, you cant just run around with gear and switch to normal mode on a whim, etc. Maybe you can only switch back when you are inside a safe place?)
Also, if you die, you have a chance to lose your gathering tools.
And tbh, many ppl (or at least me) cant be ar*ed to seriously spamrun dungeons just for new gathering tools or new gathering xp armour.
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I forgot about losing tools damn it. Don't forget that I think you only lose ~10% of id-ed equipment. I'd still risk it though as long as a huge coalition is made (party) lol. Otherwise I'm going to have to reconsider for the tool loss possibility.

Iht · Nov 12, 2019

Quick Question, If I fill my inventory with id-ed equipment, will i have a smaller chance of losing my important stuff?

Crokee · Nov 12, 2019

Iht said: ↑

Quick Question, If I fill my inventory with id-ed equipment, will i have a smaller chance of losing my important stuff?
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Probably not because its a 10% chance for each id-ed item.

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