Coming Back After A Year... And Lag

No, no, the title of this thread isn't what it sounds like.

So, I quit Wynncraft for a year, because I was in a bit of a stalemate with my lack of progress ingame and the pile of homework outside of school, and now that I have a little more experience with school, and I can finally understand what free time is, I decided to come back to wynncraft. Another main reason is when I saw the changelog for the Silent Expanse in discord. My hype meter just shot up.

So, now that all the exposition is set up, I got questions;

when I entered the game, my game started to LAG like all hell. I was like, "Alright, normal, probably since I haven't logged in for a long time." I spawned in Detlas (which I could understand was lag central), and walked around for while. Note that I have the latest version of Wynntils and Optifine. And then I noticed something; the lag only appeared when I was in a city or near a refinery. When I'm in the natural world, my FPS is a solid 70-80. However, in cities/refineries, it drops to about 10-30. So,

1. What's happening? (It's fine if you tell me that it's my PC's problem, I understand.)

2. What can I tweak in the settings to make this issue a little better? (It's fine if you tell me nothing, I mean, this is just a QOL question.)

3. What would be the lowest particle setting (Minimal to All) that wouldn't effect the gameplay?

Thanks everyone, and I'm so happy to be back in Wynncraft!

-MarioYoshiBoo

 

I just returned after almost a year too, but I'm not experiencing the same issue. Sure I get lag spikes, but that's just at random like I've always gotten, not only in cities or refineries. Perhaps it's Wynntils that is causing it? I'm not quite sure what Wynntils is though.

 

Thanks, I'll try it without Wynntils.

Wynntils is the mod pack that most people in Wynncraft use.

 

I thought they banned it something or highly suggested people not to or something. Must've been for a different modpack.

 

Yeah, that was for WynnEnhanced.

 

Wasn't it because it identified what tier of items were on the ground?

 

I think that's fine, but WynnEnhanced had serverside issues and it was running something through a proxy and...

idk i'm not the tech guy, but I think that mod could get you hacked.

 

It gathered your data for third parties (at least thats what i found)

 

Ah, I gotcha. Just curious. Thanks. Did disabling Wynntils help btw?

 

Actually, for some reason, I just got on, and everything was much better; it's a lot more playable. I did disable some features on wynntils, so it was less laggy. Thanks!

 

Np! Glad I could help.

 

Minecraft's entity rendering is just intense. Even though most computers are able to handle around 200 of them at once before starting to dip, that's not the case for everyone. 70-80fps is super low for minecraft, especially on a plain area, hence, it's no surprise that your pc wouldn't be capable of pushing far beyond that.

The biggest thing you can do is drop wynntils and forge, and run an optifine client on its own, preferably in 1.12.2.

As for settings, the first thing to look out for is obviously render distance, which you can safely set down to around 4 without missing right about anything of importance. If it's still too intense though, 2 will do as well, albeit some cutscenes and other quest portions won't be visible. Another option to look out for is texture mipmapping, which you should turn off mostly to save ram due to Wynn having quite a lot of animated and high resolution textures. If you absolutely can't stand the flickering though, use 1 or 2 levels at max, since anything beyond that is a waste. This'll also speed up resource pack loading considerably, due to having to deal with less individual textures. In optifine, you can safely turn on fast rendering, since Wynn barely uses the features it interferes with, such as entity glowing, which'll save you quite a bit of performance. One option that you should disable on optifine is smooth fps, since all it does is lower your fps in exchange for more consistent frame times. While you're on that menu, you should also set chunk updates to 1 to prevent excessive lagspikes, and make sure to turn fast math and smart animations on, as the latter'll help with Wynn's high usage of animated textures again, and the former'll do exactly as its description states; Increase fps with no real drawbacks. Rest of video settings don't matter much, but turning off as many things as you see fit won't hurt your performance either. Also, if you're playing on a bad pc that hasn't been maintained in a long while, or a laptop, and are experiencing throttling from overheating, you should definitely keep vsync on to prevent it. Your controls might not be as responsive as a result, but it's a small price to pay.

As for things you can do outside of minecraft's settings, configuring java's memory management to suit your pc in particular is also a big game changer, albeit it takes a bit of effort to get right. As common as tweaking them is, there's a lot of controversial opinions when it comes to this, and even more people recommending options without having any clue on what they're doing, so I'll try to keep it simple:

-Xmx = Simply enough, the maximum amount of ram that your client can use. If this is too low, you'll experience lagspikes. If it's too high, your fps will decrease as a result of the system not having enough spare for other processes, or your game'll outright crash. A couple good guidelines are, that there's nearly never a need for more than 4gb, and that you generally shouldn't allocate more than half of your total ram, or more than what you have spare from other programs running on your pc. For a machine with 4gb I'd recommend ~1,5-2gb, and 2-4gb for an 8gb system, all depending on what you have running in the background. If you happen to have 16gb or more, sticking to 4gb will do, and if you have 2gb or less, you shouldn't even touch minecraft. (Examples: -Xmx4096m or -Xmx4G)

-Xms = Irrelevant piece of trash. Just give it half of your maximum ram, and be done with it. It's still good to define this yourself, since the default xms can be higher than your xmx. If you're capable of handling more than 2gb of xmx though, this does next to nothing after 1gb. As long as you don't set it as big as -Xmx, you won't encounter crashes or massive lagspikes. (Examples: -Xms1024m or -Xms1G)

-Xmn = The "nursery" for reusing code and math from the ram instead of doing it all over again as far as I'm aware, that compliments your -Xmx. Generally, impoves performance in exchange for higher ram usage. Having it too high however results in lagspikes, while having it too low results in poor performance. I'd recommend going down from 1024mb to 128mb in batches of 128, and seeing how high you can keep it without spiking. And, as goes without saying, don't set this higher than your -Xmx. (Example: -Xms256m)

-XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC = A garbage collection method that seems to consistently trump other ones when it comes to world loading times and negating gc induced lagspikes. Take this one with a pinch of salt, since I'm not 100% certain on how it works.

As for other jvm arguments for minecraft, I've found next to 0 effect with testing them on multiple systems, leading me to believe that most of them are either pure placebo, or exclusive to very specific situations.

A couple other bizarre things I've also noticed from experience are, that chrome causes stuttering in minecraft while firefox doesn't, and that the front page of Wynn's forums does the same regardless of browser or device. Video decoding and background programs also hinder your performance by quite a bit, but those are quite self explanatory.

Decreased. Minimal completely hides them, apart from a few exceptions such as block particles.

 

im lagging too much at 9pm (7am in us east) even in lobby.
i didnt lagging too much on other time, when night, it become too laggy to play.
why lagging so intensly when 7am in us east
EDIT: my computer is i5 2500k gtx 550ti 8g ddr3 ram. does it make lag spikes?

 

I'm a bit late, because I decided to mess around with your advice, and it worked!

It went from 70 to about 130-150 fps, constant (sometimes even over 200!). The refineries and cities are about 60 fps, but it's playable, so I don't mind.

Thanks!

 

Does Microsoft Edge cause stuttering in Minecraft/Wynncraft?