Elemental Revamp Update + 1.19 Teaser

The ele revamp was not the smartest idea to begin with, everyone I know started making builds on wynndata, not actually purchasing the items, that was a rash decision that people made themselves and I do know people who sold their Mythics because of the update, one person I can think of off the top of my head is someone who I told to sell her Cata because of the update so I was rash too, however we talked today and both of us were extremely excited about the news that A. This update is coming out and B. They weren't releasing the extreme update that will completely tilt build making as we know it and make most items useless. They decreased mana across the board and put mana in builds without int not to mention they completely shafted things like cinderchain and fire tier stack. Also a lot of the time the reqs were so high I had issues building within an archetype. When this update was announced my guild went into panic mode and created a team to remake everyone's builds that were going to be unfairly and unnecessarily ruined by the update. If an update is going to change things for one community (the theoretical builders that don't actually use their builds or war etc.) but ruin the game for another community (the guild community) there's no point in causing that divide. This news might cause a divide, but nothing drastic is changing, something really cool is being added and overall if the end game revamp was never announced I think everyone would be very excited for this update which is something I myself have been thinking about for a very long time, unique item IDs.

 

What the market has to do with that ? x)

 

It would not have created builds, it would've regulated them and made them worse, fire tier stack is by no means OP, yet they attempted to make it unusable

 

You boi weren't here when Gavel came out.

 

I wasn't, what does that have to do with anything?

 

while the elemental revamp did cause a lot of drama, I feel like overall improvement shouldn't be held back by players not liking change. I'm not a builder myself, so seeing the new items with an actual design behind them instead of just a massive sandbox of tons of items was really nice, and it's a pretty big tease to announce a good update then revert it because some people were salty that their builds/favorite items had to be changed

 

Gavel added the elements and requirements. And while a lot of people liked that, there was still a bunch of people that didn't like it, but they still accepted the change. Nowadays changes are not appreciated ...

 

How was it improvement? It made building harder and on top of that they regulated it, if you're not a builder yourself you won't fully understand, but the items we have now are random, but they do have actual designs and I think the beautiful thing about build making is the freedom. I made a melee black build today that's actually viable and I've built around that items so many times making very unique and different builds for one single item, all builds were viable.

 

yeah, this is apparent with how 1.18 barely changed any existing mechanics and just added new ones. it still got tons of backlash because people didn't like the idea of crafting

 

Overall that's an improvement to the game and it makes it more interesting, how does taking away build freedom make the game interesting? How does ruining builds make the game interesting? There weren't builds back then, there was just a point where you had the best stuff from what I've heard, adding elements is something that does make the game more interesting and it ADDS content it doesn't change and remove the freedom from the content you have.

 

the problem with the current build system is it requires a lot of knowledge on how to make builds and takes a lot of time for new players, or players who don't want to spend hours learning how to make good builds then making them. the elemental revamp provided more order to the mix

 

You're confusing change with addition, the reason everyone likes the item IDs from what I've seen is because it's not doing anything drastic to the game, but it's adding new cool stuff. The reason I didn't like the archetypes is because it's boring, they're adding the new hive items which can serve as guidelines for more creative and new builds without fucking anything up.

 

That's not the point we we're talking about my dear, we were talking about changes that split the community and why they are inevitable but are being less and less appreciated. Why do you deviate ?

 

First of all, yeah building does take a bit of knowledge, but it really doesn't take long to learn. I got serious about build making last August and was a pretty good builder by September, your argument is literally that this update was good because it panders to the people that don't put time into the game. News flash, me and a bunch of other friends who are decent builders had trouble making viable builds with the update, the only reason you like it is because it stresses guidlines in build making which is one of the dumbest things you could do with a creative activity like build making.

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This split the community for a good reason is my point.

 

Oh bruh I'm done, we're already gone far away from what I tried to discuss with you. I quit this subject for today x)

 

all I was trying to say is that it turns a complex system in to something more friendly to players who don't want to focus on an otherwise minor system, but I don't want to argue back and forth about this anymore since it's clearly going nowhere and this isn't the right place for it

 

Building is objectively one of the major parts to the game unless you sit in detlas and do nothing. Why does it have to be turned into something that's more friendly who don't put as much time into the game? Isn't the whole point of a game to make people want to play it more? I can tell you that a lot of my friends in the guild community were genuinely contemplating quitting Wynn entirely because of this mess, myself included, for whatever reason people think this adds freedom to build making when that's objectively false. Again it made the game less interesting and less fun, not more. I guarantee people wouldn't like it when if ACTUALLY got implemented and it wasn't just an announcement that got people excited to use new items on Wynndata

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gamer moment

 

New LI video contents...

 

What has hapened? Did that flame war start again or what?

 

Yes.

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So your main problems with the revamp are the mana sustain reductions and the increased skill point reqs, right?