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Serious Admins And Devs Please Work A Bit More Efficiently

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  1. meadow

    meadow STILL #1 AS warrer // Abusing databases since 2018 CHAMPION

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    How much of the variation of Wynn's income can be explained by the average number of players in a week?
    How much of the variation of Wynn's income can be explained by the effectiveness of the admins? What about that of the dev(s)?

    So here comes the explanation of this thread.

    Some background info here:
    There was a bug in the Market where someone dupped 2.3k Hero's (a mythic spear), and I have absolutely no idea why the admins never told any player that the market has such bug. As a result, the market was disabled.
    And after the release of 1.18 and the new trailer, Wynn has experienced an influx of players and the number of online players had grown by 00-150%. I was told that "wars were crashing the main servers", and wars were disabled not long after.
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    How much of the variation of Wynn's income can be explained by the average number of players in a week? No one knows the answer since no one has any data to run regression against. But one thing that I'm sure about is that as the number of players increases, their income increases. With more money out there to spend, the server's capacity should also increase, to a point that can support 3k players and wars. Yet wars were gone for almost 2 weeks and there's absolutely no schedule and information for this. It's as if the admins were dead.

    How much of the variation of Wynn's income can be explained by the effectiveness of the admins? What about that of the dev(s)? Again there's no answer for this, but we can make an educated guess. "Effectiveness" is hard to quantify as there's way too many factors affecting it. Slightly experienced players will understand that market and wars are two of the most important end-game features. For lower level players wars and market probably matter less. That makes the game boring after reaching Level 103 or 104, and no one would like to engage in a boring game so they go for other games. So what will happen if the admins just keep everything this way? Probably nothing in short-term since the high level players' patience isn't exhausted yet. When their patience is exhausted, they will be more likely to quit. And let's face it - the player influx won't last forever. So that spells death for Wynn as the number of new players will not catch up with the number of players leaving, all thanks to admins not giving schedules of fixing things that have to be fixed, and devs not actually fix the server's issues, which are two important aspects the define "effectiveness" in my eyes.

    So yeah, this post is intended to be a sarcasm to Wynn's attitude towards their players, and the funny part is, people either take the questions literally, or just criticize on something of no significance as they always do.
     
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  2. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    meadow STILL #1 AS warrer // Abusing databases since 2018 CHAMPION

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    It is literally a regression question, which is a statistical process to estimate the relationships among variables, in this case, "Wynn's income" and "average number of players"
     
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    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    Do you mean the average number of players per day over a week?
    New players per week over a month?
     
  5. Spinel

    Spinel Pronounced Spin-nell, not Spine-el VIP+

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    If you're asking how much money Wynncraft makes, there's almost no way to tell for sure because Salted never tells us how much money the store makes and how much it costs to keep Wynncraft running
     
  6. tig

    tig "Because EO parkour killed my grandma, OK???"

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    this shouldnt have serious tag prefix btw
     
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  7. SkellySniper

    SkellySniper In a permanent state of necro

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    Personally, I think this feels like a bit of a silly question. For any given server, in any given game, the income is entirely generated by players. The ratio of income to players may vary depending on how many people are motivated to buy a rank or item, or how the server handles ads or other freemium features, but ultimately the income is generated by players.
    Even ads and sponsors don't exactly count for income, since the vast majority of such aren't doing it for the sake of philanthropy, they're doing it for advertising. And in the advertising business, the more people that see the ad, the more money the people playing the ad to the audience make.

    If you wanted an actual statistical analysis of average players and income over time, you could ask the devs about the data, provide it, and ask the question again. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to conduct research on this myself, though I'd be happy to do the math.
     
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    meadow STILL #1 AS warrer // Abusing databases since 2018 CHAMPION

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    Oh yeah should have added the time period for the average number of players
     
  9. meadow

    meadow STILL #1 AS warrer // Abusing databases since 2018 CHAMPION

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    Today's regression question:
    How much of the variation of Wynn's income can be explained by the effectiveness of the admins? What about that of the dev(s)?
     
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    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    how do you define an admin's effectiveness tho?
     
  11. meadow

    meadow STILL #1 AS warrer // Abusing databases since 2018 CHAMPION

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    Define your own formula. An example below:
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    meadow STILL #1 AS warrer // Abusing databases since 2018 CHAMPION

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    Wynnooblet Slayer of Useless Threads VIP+

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    The admins/devs are unpayed. And I believe Salted said before that he was “barely making enough” or something. You can’t really coordinate the work of volunteers with the amount of money they’re making, because their volunteers and what matters is how much they love what they’re doing.
     
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    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    What? You think they knowingly added a bug?
    They didn't know about it, and even if they did, why would they tell anybody?
    There was an influx of players but Wynn doesn't make money from player logins, it makes money from donations and it will be a shitty decision to pay money for a larger player capacity when the new players are gonna go away anyway in a month or two.
    They don't post schedules to not disappoint anyone in case they don't finish the project in time, as said before me, they are volunteers.
     
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    meadow STILL #1 AS warrer // Abusing databases since 2018 CHAMPION

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    Go ask someone without telling them if they know why the market is closed without telling them the reason. To an average player, the market is just closed without any explanation.

    More players joining the server meaning more players will pay. More players playing means more income. Simple. And Wynn's system already adjusts itself according to the capacity needed. Do you see WC82 out there all the time?

    Also I find it more disappointing to not see a schedule because that means the admins have no plans on that to an average player.

    Now instead of posting unfounded arguments against my points to show everyone you can't understand my point, you can constructively criticize Wynn to make it a better place, and make yourself a better person.
     
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    Aya Very Serious Gensokyo Journalist HERO

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    Nitro is gone from DDT and suddenly the entire guild becomes uber aggresive towards the server
    I don't know why this reaction happened but I'm not gonna question it for my own safety
    Though yeah tbh there is a lot to say about Wynncraft, specially the game's design
     
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    I’ll go against your argument if I find it incorrect. Wynn is used to being a small community where word spread quickly. The admins are very new to having to reach almost 8x the amount of players they used to. They did make a post about the market, and people know why it’s down (except the noobs, but people tell them if they ask, that’s how this community spreads info). They have said before that they don’t want a schedule because it can lead to disappointment (these people are real people with real lives, and in real life, things don’t go according to plan. They aren’t payed to sit in an office and make games). This isn’t Hypixel or wherever you came from, where they are literally a cooperation with payed employees, this is a passion project by a few people. The players can stay if they love the server. If they’re annoyed by the minor inconvenience of not being able to trade until the admins (who are working diligently) fix the market, then they don’t deserve to be her (this includes you). Our community as a whole is strong and has gone through much worse than a bug that’ll soon be fixed.
     
  18. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    I had no idea it was closed and I believe they can close the market without telling us the reason if they suspect the bug can still be recreated even with the market close.
    everytime we get a wave of new players most of them don't stay for over a month so its useless buying more server space (also the high numbered servers that pop up every now and then are either test worlds or the console running some weird code)
    youll find it more disappointing waiting a year for an update then seeing it postponed again and again like every update on this server (we waited for gavel for more than a year then it got postponed a couple of months, its far more disappointing than not knowing when the next update is coming)
    all of my arguments are founded, if you doubt any of them say which ones and I'll prove them to you.
    I've seen countless threads like this one since I joined the community. when you don't know how to respond to my points you say I don't understand.
    and as to criticize and help wynn I invite you to take a look at my many threads and see I'm not all talk.
     
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    I don't think we have enough evidence to make that assumption. I'm quite sure jpresent is getting paid for his work on wynn, and of course salted and grian are also making buck considering they own the server. I also disagree with "you can't coordinate the work of volunteers with the amount of money they're making." money has no relation to management; even if they made pennies it's no excuse for how disappointing the recent update has been, that kind of mistake isn't the result of not enough money, but terrible direction.
     
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    The last update wasn’t terrible though
     
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