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The Biggest Scam

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by SaltyKing, Jan 18, 2019.

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  1. Happy New Year

    Happy New Year Please bring the shoutbox back VIP+

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    i dont remember how much exp i had but it was more than 0% for sure
     
  2. SaltyKing

    SaltyKing Banana CHAMPION

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    That's very strange. Your at 101 with an empty bar you say?
     
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    no i have some exp, not totally empty
     
  4. Happy New Year

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    hey i just got an exp boost, thanks everyone for the help!
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    from 0.something% to 2% :D
     
  5. SoCool21

    SoCool21 Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    Did the staff team ever say that any XP earned above the level cap would carry over if the level cap was ever raised?
     
  6. Drew1011

    Drew1011 Former Viceroy of the Foxes / Reviver of Kingdoms HERO

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    No, but that doesn't matter. As has been previously stated, it seemed like common sense that it would.
     
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    Might as well throw in my opinion on this - Nobody ever told you that you would be given free levels for this. Yes, you put a lot of work into getting to level 101 or 101 with 100%xp, but still, you knew there wouldn’t be a reward. You can’t expect to be automatically given the max level.

    However, the fact you get nothing at all for it is also a bit unfair. Earlier, you had tbe stats page as bragging rights, and a nice ‘101’ beside your name, and now you don’t. Personally, I think people who reached 101 and above before 1.18 should receive some sort of special collectable item as a reward And/Or some cool tag beside their username in chat and on the stats page, so people can see that you got 101 before 1.18.
     
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    SoCool21 Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    So, did people spend thousands of hours grinding for something based on an assumption that they'd get anything out of it? Did they not think maybe they should've double checked with an admin before spending months of in-game time grinding?
     
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    well but lvl 100s with a few % got boosted to 102 and me, a 101 that grinded back when it was hard as fuck in early 2016 didnt get anything
     
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  10. Drew1011

    Drew1011 Former Viceroy of the Foxes / Reviver of Kingdoms HERO

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    No, because generally when you gain xp you don't expect to lose it.
    That's how games work.
     
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  11. Salted

    Salted Game Design & Wynncraft Founder Staff Member Admin GM CHAMPION

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    Your XP gets reset to 0 everytime you level up
     
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  12. Drew1011

    Drew1011 Former Viceroy of the Foxes / Reviver of Kingdoms HERO

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    Right, but you continue making progress towards the next level. You're not actually losing your xp.
    That's not the same thing as what's happening here and we both know it.
     
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  13. SaltyKing

    SaltyKing Banana CHAMPION

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    If I do Hive at lvl 97 but I only have 1mill to go till 98 the other 5.25mill will transfer to lvl 98 (+ scaling so a bit less)

    So a bit confused by this?
     
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    SoCool21 Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    Not if there isn't a next level...
     
  15. Salted

    Salted Game Design & Wynncraft Founder Staff Member Admin GM CHAMPION

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    XP you gain gets added one after the other, so resetting it in the middle of it doesn't mess with all the XP reward you're getting. But already having XP and leveling up just reset the whole thing with no bonus XP that comes out after. Bit surprised there's a 8 pages thread about this, we've always said 100+ was purely cosmetic for fun. It's the same with 104 this update. Don't expect it to be a XP pocket you can keep until the next update drop to get through all the content instantly.
     
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    SaltyKing Banana CHAMPION

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    The issue there is for us to "expect it to be a XP pocket you can keep until the next update drop to get through all the content instantly." we would have needed to know that the level cap was being raised.
    No one new of this until recently,
    You cannot look at me and say that if I asked you last year "Will there be a level cap raise that will wipe my bonus exp"
    You would have been spilling your guts about future content like all good admin do?. Telling us that indeed the level cap would be raised.

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    Also you didn't expect people to get annoyed that exp was stolen from them?
    "Hey, hey Viaire. Guess what! Yeah a bunch of our exp got yoinked lmao! Yeah ik its great isnt it!"
     
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  17. PikaLegend

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    I swear there was a similar argument when Gavel was released and the Level Cap was raised from 75 to 101, but times were simpler then due to the lack of Dungeon Bombs and CSST.

    From a Gameplay Design standpoint, I don't think this is a good idea, EVEN if you indeed have spent all that time and money on a myth that was only partly true.

    By that Logic, everyone who reached Level 101 would reach Level 103, but why didn't it happen?

    Lets say the Level Cap was increased a bit more, say, it was now Level 120.

    Number 1: Whenever you level up, the EXP you gained from mobs and dungeons changes, since you only gain more EXP from mobs and dungeons closer to your level (Within a 30 Level Range). If so, someone could grind a lower leveled dungeon (CSST) or mobs before the update to gain more exp and progress than they should have gotten if they leveled up normally from 101 - 120. That would make grinding before the update more important than grinding when the update happens, which is somewhat counterproductive.

    Number 2: You will be skipping content. Obviously there are no new content for 101 - 104 for now, but there are indeed craftable items for 101 - 103, and the possibility for new content for 101 - 104 in the future. That's not just a bad thing for the CT, but also for the player. Imagine a player logs back in after the update and is now Maxed Level. Now everything might seem too easy for them, or not rewarding at all. Maybe I am in the minority for liking to have a challenge when I do quest and see no point doing quests when I am too overleveled except for "speedrunning".

    Number 3: A need for consistency. Not every Level 101 wishes to reach max level when the update hits since they still like to have progression. Level 101 has been the level cap for more than 2 years now, and many players who enjoy playing only 1 class for their entire playthrough would feel like there is nothing to do once they hit Level 101. If they hit Level 104 instantly when the update hits... That would give them even less of an incentive to progress since they have maxed again.

    I get that the Leaderboard is quite a big deal for the ones who did, especially how you worded it, "The Biggest Scam". But for the sake of gameplay consistency in the future, and the fact that a lot of flaws to be asked to Level to 104 instantly, giving Level 102 is kinda the most logical solution the Wynncraft Team has made. Maybe an acknowledgement for remembrance that you had reached Level 101 before the update, but Idk how you are supposed to refund EXP from Dungeon Bombs and DXP Bombs.
     
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    As you said 100+ is purely cosmetic and for fun and you said it is the same with 104 in this update. Then you say that do not expect to unlock all the content on the next update instantly. There is your problem these new three levels do not do anything and are not unlocking content. The only reason for the 3 levels right now is to piss off your dedicated players and take a piss on the community.
     
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    SaltyKing Banana CHAMPION

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    Thats what I want to know aswell.


    That can all be figured out mathematically. I said that before that yes scaling does need to be taken into account.


    As you said. There is no new content for 101-104. Personally I would still do the quests. I wanna see the new update and I'm going to focus more on the update and the new builds and features if I don't have to re-grind for exp I already grinded for.

    Yet to meet someone who wasn't annoyed that something aws stolen from them.
    I doubt there are many children out there that have had their lolipops taken from them and have just said "Oh its ok. You can have the lolipop I have been sucking on for a while now :)"

    Ill give you credit for coming up with something that no one else has mentioned. So your idea is basically the Vet tag for 101s?
    Sounds reasonably impractical but I'm sure it would make atleast some people happy.
     
  20. Druser

    Druser ele defs don't matter HERO Featured Wynncraftian

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    I saw a thread where someone posted that they, with level 101 and very little xp, were still level 101 after the update, but a friend at level 100 with a substantial chunk of the bar filled was now level 102. Can anyone confirm that this is how it works? (it sounds accurate based on the fact that the code doesn't seem to store pre-level xp but I'm not certain)
     
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