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Any Class Builds For All Mythic Weapons ! Reconstruction 27/11-06/12

Discussion in 'Class Builds' started by Glenncrafter, Mar 11, 2018.

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  1. by2011

    by2011 category creator VIP+

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    IMO Strati CAN be better (damage is mediocre, but it's pretty much the "tankiest" bow), but GMA is at LEAST 2nd best
     
  2. Tek

    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    Whats best then?
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    Plz dont say divzer
     
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  4. Tek

    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    Nah man, i believe depressing bow is still better
     
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  5. NicBOMB

    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    no it's normally used in WoT. It's a thing, but I don't expect you to hear it outside that community. No biggie.
    ^^^^^^^Yes
    Not necessarily the way to think about it. Take Fatal for example. With a good build it can do 20k or 1k damage thanks to its massive range of possible damage values. Yes it's average damage is respectable 10.5k, but it isn't consistent.
    Earth is a much more consistent damage type, typically staying within a 2-4k damage range. Each element and weapon are allowed to have a specialization. By no means is GMA bad, and I have said it before, there are countless threads detailing why it is actually OP. That doesn't mean GMA can do everything tho. It just so happens that Divzer is better at consistently hitting 6 digit damage numbers without entirely glassy builds than GMA. It's just different, not worse, and by no means bad.

    Also, no, earth isn't only useful for melee damage. Many Earth/Water combos are still very effective. If you don't think so, look at Galleon. It is the perfect example of earth/water boots specifically for spells (Mana Steal).
     
  6. Tek

    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    THANK YOU!!!
    you r legit the first person to say that earth isnt only melee. Earth’s strength with water’s spammability is op
     
  7. NicBOMB

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    There are builds specifically about GMA+that. Also, rainbow slap GMA is stupid OP too. Only one other rainbow slap build type is more powerful in terms of elevating a weapon above it's intended use and I'm not disclosing that one lol.
     
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    Earth's strength with water's spammability is very strong indeed.
    but keep in mind that Thunder's strength (or i guess you should call it dexterity) with water's spammability is, for the most part, more "op"

    https://wynndata.tk/s/4brSap (totally not from the D A B format post)

    only reason i'm saying this is that the way you're speaking implies that you believe that earth weapons and items are gods we should all worship

    Allow me to revise what I said in my earlier post, because if I just edited it then a lot of people probably wouldn't notice:

    Yes, you are right, Earth works with spell and is undeniably strong.

    But you implied that Earth should be the strongest Spell element damage wise (you said it should be stronger than Thunder, which does the most spell damage for the most part) while it is already the "strongest" Melee element.

    so how else are you supposed to build gma :thinking:

    no int spell build and melee gma is going to be the new meta hype
     
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    No, I actually prefer thunder weapons like Cata, Divzer, Black etc.
    I used Plague+2T6 for a long time. Thunder is definitely my go to. I actually prefer building for thunder, water, or air. Earth and Fire are my least favorite.
    Also that link is a warrior build? very good, but we're discussing archer mythics rn lol.
    I didn't say Earth *should* be the strongest. I said GMA is OP. Almost every other earth bow is balanced or worse than same level competitors of different elements.
    I said GMA consistently does higher spell damage than every other archer mythic save for Divzer, and even then GMA can still make lower damage look better in terms of survivability.

    For hitting consistent damage numbers, earth is the element of choice; that's it's thing. GMA is different though. It pushes that damage way way higher and doesn't do much in terms of penalties.

    Now look at these:

    All Positive Defs are tagged Blue
    All 15k+ Avg are tagged Red
    Both 15k+ and Positive are tagged Purple
    No tags are builds I made (maybe others too, I can't remember)

    https://wynndata.tk/s/GsNRlS <--- 2 Unique Items, 13k, almost all + defs, +HPR (by me. the others are from old wynndata links that can't be searched with forums including this one)
    https://wynndata.tk/s/CJ4z5W <--- (by me) almost purple tag, no +HPR,
    https://wynndata.tk/s/VDScsM <--- (by me) almost blue tag, +HPR, basically identical to ^^^^ only one difference

    https://wynndata.tk/s/f4nFXw <--- Very Good, +HPR
    https://wynndata.tk/s/yi2wGr <--- +HPR
    https://wynndata.tk/s/9hvQK6 <--- ehh


    https://wynndata.tk/s/MTuyBH <--- 8MR, 13k HP

    https://wynndata.tk/s/EeicGt <--- only sad thing: Gambler ;(
    https://wynndata.tk/s/A8sdb0 <--- Very good
    https://wynndata.tk/s/pKln3G <--- Cancelled Enough of Gambler's -%s with Third Eye and Megabyte

    These last 2 should hit home the OP spam+damage part. Essentially, you can make a more well-rounded + spam build than Divzer. Having no dodge and poor base defense means you're an easier target than a stereotypical nerd with a "kick me" sign limping down a hallway. Only escape spell can save you. Plus, these builds would likely do escape spell better too since GMA is more spammy, ie; more escape spell casts.
    Do I think earth damage is the best archer element? No. GMA is just OP af. It's supposed to be just as punishing as divzer in terms of 'being a sitting duck while holding it' but the -hpr can be cancelled soo easily. +HPR items aren't the problem, the choice of -hpr as the counter stat was the problem IMO. -Life Steal, -HPR, and harsher -ws would fix it IMO. Most of these builds passively cancel out the -ws too.

    For now, I wouldn't. Spell Spam archer is the only effective way to play the game unless you can lead targets in minecraft well, and even then Lag is killer. Spells guarantee archers are able to actually hit the enemy with splash/aoe damage. Melee damage is only useful for mana steal with archers. Btw, this is coming from someone that tried to solo LI multiple times using melee archer when Cancer was still OP and I never got past matrojan, even under the ideal conditions (superfast 12k+ melee dps, 900+ LS, mana steal for escapes+shields, still kaput). For now, glass cannon spells, or well-rounded spells are the only way to go. Sadly projectiles in laggy environments are just not as good.
     
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    just saying, a good amount of these builds don't really have much agi at all, if any
    so it isn't really a super good comparison to divzer with that in mind
     
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    spell spam + escape
    can't hit you if you never touch the ground.
    I personally haven't played in a while, so I'm not up for it, but I think these ones could completely evade any melee attacker: https://wynndata.tk/s/MTuyBH or https://wynndata.tk/s/yi2wGr or https://wynndata.tk/s/f4nFXw or https://wynndata.tk/s/pKln3G
    I mean we've seen motoki do it, and I did a decent job with freedom while staying mostly on the ground just walking away from the enemies lol.
     
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    same deal here with divzer, couldn't i just do the same here with it, spellspamming and dodging attacks with escape?
     
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  13. Tek

    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    Ok i finally get it. Thunder weapons r just too op. i mean look at az man! Opest shit i’ve ever seen
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    Thx for all ur effort in the reply btw nicbomb
     
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    I was sort of talking to Tek about worshipping earth items rip

    2nd to last paragraph (too lazy to quote D: ):
    As highbread said, most of the builds have no Agi, so wouldn't it basically just be Divzer?

    https://wynndata.tk/s/p8wBcG for example (oof rainbow slap but i could care less i have like 2 seconds left to write this)

    -You have no agi, just like most of your GMA builds
    -You have insane damage, just like most of your GMA builds
    -You have OK mana, just like most of yoru GMA builds


    -Also, my Divzer build CAN hit 94 int (needs high SP prism and max/very close to max INT/DEX medeis but that's a common)
     
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    I also haven't built for Divzer since it first was found. I really only knew the damage numbers from viewing old links. This is news to me @highbread lol
    But yea, that definitely beats out any of my expectations of GMA or Divzer.
     
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  16. Tek

    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    Ok i kind of want to play the most dmging weapon in the game, now im confused about which one it is. Is it gma, cata, or divzer?
     
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    Again, I said that's divzer. I didn't think you could make it durable and spamable, but that's really good. Cata is more defensive/well-rounded given the better base defense of assassin. GMA is still really good compared to the other archer mythics.
     
  18. Tek

    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    Noooooooooo *looks at his treasured gma, starts crying and wants to item buyer it now* rip ;-;
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    Oh and one more thing, i think that everyone agrees that gma is at LEAST the second best mythic bow. Ik that its prices r rising, but why does it not cost 17stx yet?
     
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    Well, Divzer is sort of new, so its price is currently a bit high. I don't think Divzer is the best bow (although it does the most damage) Strati probably is. Besides, market cost != power.

    Cata can do the most damage (just looking at the stats), but it's more recommended to build defensively in a Cata build
    Divzer after that
    Then GMA

    However, GMA can use Rage, which isn't actually part of GMA, but it's a big factor.
     
  20. Tek

    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    Welp... i came here thinking gma was actually strong... got roasted instead... feeling dead inside rn and crying everytine i see my gma... OOF well then fine i will now go hyper glass cata with 69hp and i will one hit qira kappa ;-;
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    So should i item buyer my gma?
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    Since it is so weak... ;-;
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    The hp regen boost it gives is so op that it becomes negative
     
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