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Any Class Builds For All Mythic Weapons ! Reconstruction 27/11-06/12

Discussion in 'Class Builds' started by Glenncrafter, Mar 11, 2018.

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  1. Tek

    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    Lol ignis has pretty much spring dps tho. Spring has about 10 more which is marginal. The 39% water dmg on it however is pretty good and it gets curse but ignis’s survivability tho. I would say both spring and ignis are good
     
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    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    IMO, spring is still better because there is no def req. Archers with high req suffer, and the best way to get a load of damage on a fire build is fire sanc. The +Def% from skill boosting is so negligible that it's more or less useless. I said high survivability archer. With that carries all of the problems an archer has with the def stat. AGI is the most effective way of negating/lessening damage incurred by archers. That's why Ignis is going to continually struggle.
     
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    Rip ignis
     
  4. by2011

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    no one uses unpowdered spring/ignis

    if you put water powders onto spring and fire onto ignis, you get 600 more dps onto spring (or something along those lines) and 1k more bombs

    main problem with that is that grim has lifesteal, poison, melee potential, and you can use hive armor alongside it

    but yeah, hive dagger (and all hive weapons for that matter) are all strong
     
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    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    They're intended to be strong because they're merchant items, but specifically dungeon merchant items. Like lower level items from dungeon merchants, they are better than equal rarity items within their level range. Since there aren't any 100+ weapons, they act more like unfocused mythics, being able to accept essentially any element and work to varying degrees.
     
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    For Grim Build 7, is there an alternative to Warchief?
     
  7. Glenncrafter

    Glenncrafter A Collector & Proud Veteran CHAMPION

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    Not rlly, the warchiefs are taking care of the health issue, altho this build will break(& be removed) when gambler gets a revamp so I wouldn't recommend getting this build.

    What you can do is making one of these alternative builds I made: 1 2 (the dmg is worse but it's a bit tankier)
    Also note that there are cheap warchiefs on the market that go for around 24-40 le (like mine wink wink)
     
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    Madkurre construction worker HERO

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    That title, seems familiar :thinking:
     
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    Glenncrafter A Collector & Proud Veteran CHAMPION

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    Added some Gaia builds

    Also announced there will be a massive clean-up soon
     
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    Glenncrafter A Collector & Proud Veteran CHAMPION

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    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    What is alpha strike dmg?
     
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    damage on the first hit I'm assuming.
     
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    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    In damage systems where the primary means of damage has a significant range of potential values, the alpha strike damage is essentially the AVG damage of a single attack.
    Hence, GMA could take the tittle of highest single attack damage among archer mythics (excluding Divzer, it would win undoubtedly for 70-80k arrow storms lol).
     
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    Can't tell if you're trying to sound smart by using an obscure term, or if you're trying to sound smart by making up terms.

    Either way, I can get you're meaning from the context, but the term doesn't show up anywhere on a google search lol.
     
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    Gma can hit six digit storms tho... it does more than divzer
     
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    Yes, but 100k GMA storms means you're pretty glassy or have VERY little mana.

    What NicBOMB was referring to was average Divzer storms on a REGULAR build, rather than GLASS.

    For example, this (https://wynndata.tk/s/0r3Yz7) full glass GMA doesn't even go that much higher than 100k storms (only 112k with SP assigned)

    It has -Lifesteal, -Mana Steal, no Mana Regen, Pitiful Ele Defenses, 8k HP, No Def/Agi. Good luck surviving. (No Knucklebones hits around 109k storms)

    Divzer hits 130k storms btw (https://wynndata.tk/s/6fnlP9), and you can slot in Shaggy Boots + 3eye for 4/4 mana regen and still reach 120k storms.

    Edit: wtf link button just work
     
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    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    Ok that is stupid. Ive noticed a trend in the thunder weapons that they r all powerful even tho they r random, so even avg dmg wise they r still op. BUT. According to the item team thunder means hitting fast, and being random. NOWHERE does it say thunder is meant to be strong. Yet why tf r all the thunder weapons that powerful??? Earth however, links to strength, which directly affects dmg. According to the item team earth is meant to be mainly powerful at melee attacks, BUT, there r exceptions like gma that they also made it powerful spell wise. So shouldnt that mean earth should out dmg thunder??? Yet all i see is they r neck to neck in terms of dmg except grim and cata cuz like... its cata, so can somone explain why is thunder such a dmging element when earth is clearly supposed to be the offensive element that deals dmg?
     
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    wtf is this logic..

    first of all, nobody said thunder wasn't an offensive element, or that it isn't meant to be strong...

    for skill points, there's str/dex/int/def/agi. both str and dex are offensive stats and boost damage, just in different ways.

    earth is linked to strength, which increases damage by a certain percent. so, earth gives more consistent damage.
    thunder is linked to dex, which gives you x2 dmg chance. so, thunder is a lot more inconsistent, but when it does proc, you get a lot of dmg.

    And neither element is limited to only melee or only spells. it's just different playstyles.

    I don't get where you're getting this from. Thunder is supposed to do a lot of damage... it's like the one thing thunder builds are known for.
     
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    Thunder -> Fast Attack Speed -> Damage is raised
    Thunder -> Dex -> Damage is raised
    Thunder -> Bakteri, Spectre, Discharge (stronger than Earth items), etc -> Damage raised
    Divzer -> No Agi -> Has to have some stat to make up for it (yes I know you can just switch between bows but blah blah blah) -> Damage raised
    Thunder Powders add more "raw" damage (with 3+ powder slots, thunder will add more spell damage than Earth, but not melee)

    yes, so if earth is MAINLY focused on melee, why would its spell weapons be stupidly powerful? besides, thunder has items like dark channeler, anima helmet, etc to support it.

    Well, just by looking at Thunder equipment compared to Earth equipment, we can tell something:

    Thunder -> Spell (for the most part): Lodestone, Dark Channeler, Anima, Boreal Aegis, etc etc
    Earth -> Melee (for the most part): Rekkr, Physalis, Giant's Ring, Shatterglass

    Not to mention this: The LI items, which are the best possible representation of that element's properties if you ask me, are this:
    Fiber: Melee%, Earth% + Melee%, Earth%: 0x Spell, 3x Melee (has melee just as you said)
    Static: Thunder%, Spell% + Thunder%, +tier attack speed: 0x Melee, 1x Spell (it has +tier attack speed as you said, but also spell)

    So,
    GMA has amazing spell, but it should be significantly worse than a Thunder Mythic.

    However, Divzer has amazing melee, so its spell has to be slightly worse than a usual Thunder Mythic.

    Therefore, the spell damage almost balances out and GMA almost catches up to Divzer
    Also, the melee damage almost balances out and Divzer almost catches up to GMA (GMA has to be build with tier stack but yeah)

    Of course, one item isn't stuck to melee or spell because of its element just as Derpy Watermelon said, but often, an Earth Weapon will lean towards melee (Alka, Gaia, Grim (sort of), GMA (well, it's a bow, but it reaches 15-16k dps pretty easily)
     
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  20. Tek

    Tek Profficient and gallant. Wise yet inscrutable

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    RAAAAAGE NOOOOOOO ;-;
    I love my gma and i think its powerful, i want it to be the most powerful bow
     
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