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Did I Just Miss A Mythic? What Are The Chances?

Discussion in 'Questions' started by Isomies, Jun 27, 2018.

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  1. Isomies

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    I just camped a chest for like half an hour and accidentlly presed x (im using a wynn mod and it was a quickbutton for escape) so i got pushed 20 blocks away however it opened the chest and there was one item a powder and around 20 emeralds. i got my mouse on the item and it was a shade of purple (it was a spear). Didnt see the rarity.

    So my question is: did i just miss a mythic? What are the chances for a rare item spawning in an IV chest with 20 emeralds that has been camped for half an hour?
     
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    Stag2001 360 mlg hipster cat CHAMPION

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    Much bigger than the chance that it would’ve been a mythic. Don’t think too much about it, you’ll go crazy otherwise ;D
     
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    Good :)
     
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  4. Antra

    Antra Malding since 2014 HERO

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    Yea I got confused and thought I found a mythic once, turned out my screen was fucking up with purple color
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    But you shouldn't think about it too much, people also have found mythics in their daily tier 1 or in a tier 1 chest
     
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  5. Lord_He1mchen

    Lord_He1mchen EX-Mod, was nice HERO

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    Someone found a mythic right next to me like 2 years ago and I still wonder if it was my drop that I didn't pick up because of a full inventory. .-.
     
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    Stag2001 360 mlg hipster cat CHAMPION

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    Exactly
     
  7. WynnChairman

    WynnChairman Chairman of Wynn HERO

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    Shots Yellow Rose Enthusiast HERO

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    Don't forget the people who have found mythics from flower pots
    I watched someone get a strati from a flower pot once I started lmfao
     
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    Lousyre Famous Adventurer

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    One of my friends got a Divzer from a tier 1 chest with 0% loot bonus. He sold it for 30 stacks.
     
  10. NicBOMB

    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    balanced gameplay mechanics at work
     
  11. Salted

    Salted Game Design & Wynncraft Founder Staff Member Admin GM CHAMPION

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    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    A player can spend 2 years selling hundreds or thousands of items and make 11 stacks, or get 3 times that in 1 second. No amount of probability can justify that IMO. I understand that's the intended function of the items, but I still think it's not balanced at all, not to mention the detriment to building mythics used to be (IM fixed that). I completely agree that probability is the only way to balance the items any further, but I still don't like it. Just an opinion.
     
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    Nukewarmachine emerald tier above LE when VIP

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    I once got two mythics (a pure and an apoc) in the ToA (about 2 months and 20 days apart), I went into the ToA to grind experience, and I wasn't expecting to get mythics there, and by build was focusing on experience bonus (I think my loot bonus was below 20%)

    Oh, and in the future will it be possible to make mythic items more easily identifiable from other items?
     
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    (Meric) No longer edgy

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    While I do understand probability and RNG is a part of games, it still isn't perfect balanced gameplay, which is evidently impossible. I am no economy master since I barely play but I do know that while horses used to screw the economy it's mythics now. No mythics are really being found much, people are making money with no money sinks, and demand for Mythics is still high. There is no real solution however :/
     
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    Lego_DW yeppers HERO

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    i think guild banner bases were kind of ment as a money sink but no body cares about guild banner bases unless youre in TNL lmao
     
  16. NicBOMB

    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    Exactly, RNG is not an inherently balanced game mechanic when pushed to the extremes. Legendaries, Rares, Uniques; all within a feasible realm of attainability. Once items become neigh impossible to find, their value explodes. There aren't enough tiers below Mythic to justify going from .0007% (found in another thread, don't quote this) to .0000007% (legends to mythics) when all the other items aren't even in the same realm as mythics in terms of drop chance. Right now there are 2 markets in wynn: the mythic market and everything else. Everything is disconnected because there's nowhere for the money to flow and people don't know what to do with their stax once they've already got all the mythics and builds that they want. Items need to be balanced by stats AND by occurrence rate. The only reason I spent 1 stack of LE on a capricorn was A) because it's a beauty and B) it seemingly never drops for me even when I have LB on. The ability for players to find what they're looking for is KEY to the market functioning, but right now, people sell, purchase, and resell mythics, then stop once they're comfortably resting on a bank full of stacks and . Without a mythic, you can't *guaranteed* get a mythic, and without proper RNGesus bestowing you with a unicorn, you can't get a mythic. I don't mind people making fat stacks or owning mythics, but the system feeds the top and leaves the bottom .9993% of players hopelessly out of mythics. Money needs to flow from top to bottom and back, but mythics are soo powerful and over the top, they can't be compared to regular items that everyone else has to play with.
     
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    I'm well aware that randomness doesn't necessarely mean good gameplay, but in this case the person was saying that it was unbalanced because this other guy's friend had 0% loot bonus and yet got a mythic. Even if you could reach 1000% loot bonus it would still be crazy unlikely for it to happen. Having someone get 2 mythics at once from a single flower pot with -100% loot bonus does not necessarely make the whole system unbalanced either, it's bound to happen eventually with how probabilities works
     
  18. NicBOMB

    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    No, I'm saying its unbalanced because
    which is causing the market to split and reinforce the systemic inflation (not necessarily the cause, but certainly isn't helping).
    EXACTLY THE PROBLEM. You're highlighting the problem and waving it around like a mascot.
    No, you're right, it IS bound to happen. When it happens, GG to that player, but we aren't in a fictional setting. We're dealing with RNG, which you don't seem to be addressing properly. Yes, RNG is 'theoretically balanced' by the exact number value the CT/IT assigns to mythics, but the current value used is the unbalanced part. Again:
    Mythics aren't feasibly attainable. I can't go grind in D Cave, Freezing Heights, or Turtle Sanc and expect to get a mythic on the first hour, the first day, or the first month that I play. How can someone experience all of wynncraft if they never will get a single item from an ENTIRE TIER OF ITEMS. It's moronic to think that's balanced. Shouldn't players be able to go out and after a week of grinding be able to get a mythic? Wouldn't that be a great reward for putting in time? Lets stop awarding items at random for people breaking plant pots and start thinking about where these items are supposed to be acquired. If you can't get mythics from loot chests or mobs without literally hoping for the next-to-impossible to occur, what's the point of having a mythic reward. That's no reward, that's the same as a lottery. Everyone might be playing that lottery, but only the sliver of players proportional to the drop rate will actually win something. That's how RNG 'works'.
     
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    nicktree wynncraft player HERO GM

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    every item you don't see is a mythic. This has been proven 100% of the time.
     
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    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    .0000007%* of the time. ;)
     
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