Nullification - Discussion

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As I'm sure many of you know yesterday the new mythic dagger was discovered , now I went up a head and bought it straight away being all excited about finally having a new mythic to try out.

Now I've tried a lot of builds with it , The best one I believe is this - https://wynndata.tk/s/qpU8NB
EDIT - to clear things out , this is not the only build I have used I have tried builds who focus more on damage and has around 3k dps (which is pretty much nearly the max you can get on this dagger) and this build simply worked better when I tried it out in the field cuz 1k more dps isn't enough to make it worth passing on those insane defenses.
and from dueling other players and trying to defeat certain bosses in the game I can tell you this dagger is under powered when compared to the other mythic daggers.

Its obviously focused on defense and healing from hits more health than you lose from being hit while ur main damage source is ur reflection(/thorns if you can manage to get it in the build)
all of that while having crap damage on melee/spells(so basically cactus without poison).

the thing is ,while such a concept looks great on paper in reality its pretty bad (especially after all the nerfs on cactus and the fact u cant use poison to up damage a bit) , you cant rely on reflection taking down your enemies and most of the times in duels I actually do 0 damage to my enemies and in boss fights (tried to fight qira a few times) while I do a little bit more than she heals (only thanks to water powder special) it still takes forever to kill her and she can fairly easily kill me if i don't have a crap ton of hp potions(even with having 600 lifesteal in my build) , but if that's the case why not just use a dagger with some actual damage that will take her down way faster.

tl;dr
basically I'm saying no matter how high of a defense this dagger has if its damage remains this shit its not gonna be very viable for end game usage not for pvp and not for pve
(if you want a suggestion maybe up attack speed to very fast/add 2-3 powder slots/ just up damage).

That's just my opinion if you don't agree you are welcome to try and convince me other wise but I doubt many of you have actually tried the dagger and as I said it looks better on paper than it actually is in the game.

 

I completely agree with you. The problem with it is, rainbow defense isn’t as good as a lot of people think it is in PvE, reflection does nothing, mana steal doesn’t work well on assassin, and the damage is bad even on paper, and I’m sure it will be worse when fighting a boss since most bosses have at least one elemental defense.

I like to compare it to pre-buff inferno, but this one is rainbow tank, while inferno is fire tank.

 

Rainbow offensive build.
1 mana regen full tank rly

 

I think the way you approached the build resulted in a rainbow slap tank. %def doesnt mean you have to be a tank. For example https://wynndata.tk/s/OSPYXm, little less def for alot more dmg. Still quite tanky.

 

for fricks sake

 

I have tried a build with a bit more damage than the one I linked here it was fairly similar to the one you gave me and it actually ended up worse cuz my damage was still relatively low and the only thing this dagger is good for , defense , wasn't amazing or anything.

 

https://wynndata.tk/s/4QUh8g
so this gets above average damage, has 200+ rainbow defenses, decent hp, massive life and mana steal, and good mana usage.
chain lightning allows to abuse that high mana and life steal even further.
you can't get any other build like this with any other assassin weapon

in my opinion, nullification is fine. maybe it could use a bit of tweaking, but i'm not experienced in that stuff.

 

Aha

U chicken cabbage salad, 8k + spins is well decent for a rainbow dagger, i do agree its underpowered but it isnt useless.

 

8k looks like a lot but the thing with multi elemental weapons is that most of the enemies u face are defensive to a few elements atleast and since your damage in any element alone is very very low they usually get blocked out entirely resulting in horrible damage.
its not useless its just quite a bit weaker compared to other mythic daggers.

 

Agreed

 

but its suppose to be good for defence not attack

 

What's the point of a good defense if you can't deal sufficient damage?

 

Gravity performed mitosis and shat out nullification

for really though there needs a balance between tankiness and damage.

 

This right here is one of my issues with wynncraft as a whole. Dedicated tank is simply not viable within the game and it is not something we can fix by modifying items.

Nullification was designed with the intent that you'd take little damage that you couldn't steal back while having some indirect offensive boost through the decent mana steal it has on its own.

I'm not convinced it needs a buff because it's damage output is not bad. It's tanking is amazing. You can build full tank and things don't hurt, although you may have to throw some extra lifesteal or such in there but that's not an issue. This is only the dagger meaning you have all armours and accessories to build as you see fit. Either that, or you can build its damage to respectable amounts while maintaining still decent elemental defenses. It's damage will definitely be lower than the other mythic daggers because none of the other daggers are remotely designed to tank. They're all offensive based.

At the same time though, lower damage (faster attack speeds) per element means the elemental weaknesses of an enemy gets absolutely abused due to the speed multiplier. Rainbow can be walled by high rainbow defense mobs but there's always secondaries for that. Speaking of secondaries, nullification has some pretty damn low requirements. I'd say it's fairly easy to slot into a build if you adapt it slightly. While I wouldn't suggest using it as a secondary because it can most definitely function as a primary, it isn't a bad choice either.

tl;dr go fuckin read it

 

It's a dagger, which is meant to kill things. While the main point of the dagger should be to tank, it also needs to be able to kill things. You're not going to be able to run around and kill Qira by just standing there and tanking her hits

 

Don't hold it against the item team or anything, they had a lot to live up too what with the other mythic daggers being all pretty good.

 

And so is this one.

 

idk but thats how they want it to be so thats it

 

Yeah I agree, I'm just saying you guys did such a good job on the other daggers that they overshadow Nullification's uses

 

I wouldn't say so. I'd say it's more that nullification is unconventional compared to the other daggers as they're all damage based whereas this one is not.