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Patch 1.17.5 - Why Heal-lo There ;)

Discussion in 'News & Patches' started by jpresent, Mar 20, 2018.

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  1. CountBurn

    CountBurn Hackysack? HERO

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    no update on the item thread tho?
     
  2. Wommby

    Wommby 2 galleons 1 lootrun CHAMPION

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    I got a chestplate named Tesla that’s new, is it named after Tesla the car company?
     
  3. Snipy

    Snipy Normal wynncraft player :P VIP+

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    The car company isnt the only thing with tesla in its name that is connected to electricity
     
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  4. WynnChairman

    WynnChairman Chairman of Wynn HERO

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    wait so why does it have -96 water def
     
  5. Sg_Voltage

    Sg_Voltage 1.18 was the best update, don't @me CHAMPION

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    I imagine there's an item it would be broken if used with that has +95 water defense, but that's just my guess :P
     
  6. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    It's named after Nikola Tesla
    Look him up
     
  7. Wommby

    Wommby 2 galleons 1 lootrun CHAMPION

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    Didn’t he invent the car company though?
     
  8. BuffAirSpear

    BuffAirSpear Avos Air Assassin HERO

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    So you cannot counter it easily with casual items but need to be inventive because otherwise it would be godlike (you could counter it with chef hamseys in the past)
     
  9. Cruuk

    Cruuk yopyop HERO

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    I think they were asking on why it's that specific number and not something like -100.
     
  10. BuffAirSpear

    BuffAirSpear Avos Air Assassin HERO

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    oh thats because your goal with countering it is to get to water ele def of 0 and you can now only get that with uhhh a few low tier powders with this
     
  11. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    No. That's Elon Musk, who named the company after Nikola
     
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  12. RicRicc

    RicRicc Mythics: 0 Chests: 10K+ CHAMPION

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    No, think of the guy who invented AC current.
     
  13. Locky1110

    Locky1110 Famous Adventurer CHAMPION

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    4 mythics
    nice
     
  14. DeadlySoren

    DeadlySoren The Deadliest of Soren's VIP

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    How does the new heal calculate the heal amount then? I've seen a few rumours about it being linked to water damage and max health. If it is linked to water damage then water mages are about to be the new meta for mages because my thunder mage went from healing 3k to just 983.
     
  15. Entaurix

    Entaurix This Space Available HERO

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    My mage is using Lament and my build (missing one LI item) is doing 1827 heal. I would prefer they changed it to 20 / 5 / 5 rather than 10 / 10 / 10 or something as even with initial heal you barely do anything.
     
  16. DeadlySoren

    DeadlySoren The Deadliest of Soren's VIP

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    I agree with the 20/5/5 idea, it's really annoying in combat when I'm relying on my heal and I only get 985 health for each tick, it's just not enough. This is at lvl 99 as well, a lvl 99 thunder mage can only heal 985 each tick.
     
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  17. Selvut283

    Selvut283 Circadian rhythm stuck on Tokyo time ♪ Music Item Team GM CHAMPION

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    Then you can just spam-heal back up to full, which was one of the biggest reasons for the change in the first place.

    It's based on your max health, and water damage can augment it. Each % of Water Damage ID(intel doesn't count) increases your heal by .5% RELATIVE TO THE AMOUNT HEALED.

    So, at Lv 3 heal, 10% water damage means you heal for 10.5% of your maximum health per pulse.
     
  18. Entaurix

    Entaurix This Space Available HERO

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    Then whats the point of giving mage heal in the first place, people used them as a healing class, this barely does any healing now and you cannot keep players up too well. I'm not the only one who had this issue, someone who is a far better mage than me struggled with the healing too.

    In regards to not keeping players up also, if you miss your heal and your mana is low and you can only cast one more heal, you do a really bad heal and then they die - did you think this through?
     
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  19. Selvut283

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    You heal allies more than you heal yourself. Just cause the playstyle is that much less overpowered and requires some different thought than usual doesn't mean it's bad. You can't use heal like you did before, that much is for sure. We did a few days worth of testing and checking with spreadsheets and in active combat scenarios at various levels of the game, including before the Lv 3 change even, so we took that into account as well.
     
  20. DeadlySoren

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    Ok thanks for the that.
    I don't think it should be connected to water damage though, it just doesn't make sense to me to connect the heal spell with water damage, it's pretty much forcing mages to play as a water mage, you can get just as much damage out of a water mage now with lament and since heal is now connected to water damage which is what you are already building because you know, lament, you get tons of damage and you don't even need to worry about building anything to help you survive because the more water damage you have the more you heal. It's completely unbalanced and very restricting on players builds.
    I'm not saying we should go back to the old heal (It was pretty op) but making one of the main abilities for a class directly affected by a type of damage just is not the right way to change it. It will make mages that aren't high water damage + lament obsolete.

    For example, I just quickly whipped up this water mage build, it deals 10k meteors with items that work in the current patch and it has 111% water damage! Sure it doesn't deal as much as a full thunder mage (whose crit meteors can hit for up to 30k) but it will heal for tons, deal more than enough damage to all types of enemies and has decent mr not to mention its 16/4s mana steal.
     
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