SPOILER Items Id Rounding Changes - Foreseeable Impacts On Build Making And Game Balancing

TBH I wish there weren't +Attack Speed items at all, so the team could balance slower weapons around being... well, slower. Because they can't make a super slow item deal 5k a hit then have players use attack speed to attack for 15k dmg a second.

 

@TomTerminator66 told u water is love water is life

 

agree

 

tbh seems like devs just go around hating on all the most popular/used builds lmao

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my biggest issue with the change is just that its not like they do it within a week or two or even a month after seeing how people "abuse" the whatever. (dont see how mr is abusing anything tbh and how did they not see attack tier abuse coming when they added that shit in the game xd) its been like, well before i came back, which is a while :/. iirc centi came out with corkus (right?) and if not its been around even longer. so have all the other attack tier armors. and they choose now to "nerf" them. i mean im just kinda cheesed about my builds and stuff but its rly just how unstable stuff is in this game, like u go months on end, everythings ok then bam, ur hard earned build is busted cuz some guy thought it was too op. which it mightve been. well i guess my point is dont wait so long before doing this kinda stuff, and dont be so drastic about it. like, rn, any build that relies on attack tier, skill points or those 2/4 mr stuffs are bust. and those are like, a lot of builds used :/ again, it seems a lot like devs just nerf whatever is most popular atm until its unusable. pure, cactus, gravity, soon to be stardust, attack tier, etc. and this could be avoided if stuff were jsut like tested before hand. as far as i know, the "beta acess" for heroes doesnt exist, so 1. thats false advertising and 2. rly a waste :/ idk if theres some eula stuff prohibiting that but it should rly be used. if theres something thats too op, nerf it before you release it. that way, people arent actually hurt by it, and the game is balanced. for example: pure. lol pretty much explains itself. i mean, i just dont know how nobody thought, hey, someone might abuse this! if people actually tested it out, then it woulda been found before the official release, and people wouldnt be fucked having paid like 50stax for a 520 pure and then the next day its useless. everyones happy. another thing, i ve got nothing against nerfs and game balance, i jsut think theres a difference between "nerfing" and "completely destroying this shit so its completely unusable" like now, attack tier is pretty much useless, unless u wanna pull so centi coi burnout gaia thing idk, but for the most part, its like, gone. and a lot of people use it. and a lot of people will complain. and a lot of people will be told to stop whining. doesnt make for the best experience huh. the way i see it, its balanced enough as it is. u have like rly short range when using melee, so fast/tp/charge spam mobs will be hell to kill, usually glassy, and just all around not the most convenient. if u say what about mage and archer? well we all why no one does archer melee, and mages do much less damage in comparison to warriors and assassins, and u dont usually dont have alot (or any) mana regen so heal and stuff isnt rly like ya know

tldr just some rant before going to bed im tired and bored plz dont roast idk why i even wrote this lol ik its dumb and disorganized im going to bed gn

 

The devs are focusing on 'Fully Balanced Items' instead of 'Balance between Balanced Items and Fun'.
Nerfing mana on some items to the ground and taking a huge dump on certain items that would have gone for large amounts of LE is not contributing much to the 'fun' of the game. Case in point - Concentration and Prism. A handful of people in the community have bought 'old concentrations' in auctions for around half a stack of LE or more - and now they're near useless. That's a bunch of LE gone down the drain, no matter how insignificant it may seem to the richer players. Expanding on the topic of 'old' items, we have old royal stormies, priced at around 2 stacks and now worth LITERALLY nothing. 20sp prisms, worth a stack of LE or more pre-patch, have mostly been downgraded to 16-19sp ones, worth significantly less even after taking into account that 'Prisms that are not garbage are godly.'
Then we have the whole collection of 2mr accessories. Raindrop and Summa are now terrible, flushing a lot of time wasted on grinding those down a convenient LE toilet. Squid Anklet - a level 84 bracelet with 2/4MR was breaking the game! Lapis Neck and Willpower - you now have literally no reason to use them over Royal Stormy.
SP accessories - Morph-Topaz, Emerald, Amethyst and Ruby have taken extremely large Ls. Clearly, rings with 2sp in every stat were too broken to keep. Amethysts and Rubies that used to be perfect now haunt you with a stench of failure. Facile is literal garbage. It almost seems like this patch is intended to break the economy and centre gameplay around merchant items only - and they're doing a good job of it; Prowess will be twenty times more easy to get than a perfect Amethyst, and Moon Pool Circlet, together with Li accessories, is part of the meta.
Freedom, a mythic bow which used to be priced at 4 stacks or more if it had 2/4 MR, can now only ever have 1 MR - poor Freedom buyers. Tons of items that used to have specific perfect stats are now no longer 'perfect', forcing collectors to buy the items all over again, this time probably for even more, seeing as they're harder to roll.
'BUT THE ITEMS WERE NEVER MEANT TO HAVE THOSE STATS' Irrelevant. The fact is that they did, and because they weren't changed for a long time, the community got used to it, and the economy shaped itself around those stats.
I recognise that some items are certainly OP, especially when taking the concept of +atk tier Melee builds into account - but if that's true, just nerf the items in question, not LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE TRADABLE ITEM.
What this patch is doing is destroying the economy and putting hours or even days worth of grinding, trading, auctioning, finding buyers and lootrunning completely to waste. Sounds fun, doesn't it?

 

Selvut said it himself except now everything has been nerfed :p .
EDIT: and it appears to have been easier to change everything than previously thought :p

 

I totally forgot about summa.

When Selvut announced SP changes on hive gear, I was semi-devastated, as the change would directly impact my build rendering it useless, literally.
I wasn't able to come up with extra SP, not even with SD, so others recommended me to get summas. So I tried. I needed 2 almost perfect ones. I spent few days trying to obtain at least 1 with perfect rolls, no cigar. I gave up in the end, not because I didn't get it so fast, but because of this exact reason. What if I spend huge amount of time getting 2 summas only to relive trough nerfs again!? I am glad I gave up, as the thing I feared the most came true. I saved myself from being butthurt even more.

I love the fact bugs are getting fixed. I love how news section is being alive after so much time, but gameplay wise, we are getting only bad news after bad news. It's demotivating.

My build is crap now, and unfortunately, that build was the only viable way to play archer, alone, effectively. I have no idea what to do now other than wait and see what else is going to be changed. Cause no, I am not spending anymore time grinding, making builds and buying gear until I know my stuff won't suddenly become much worse because of the things I have no control over.

 

Since it seems like no one has seen this yet...

 

The community post-Id patch in a nutshell

 

Nerf everything > nerf one item > buff one item > buff everything

I think that’s how it is

 

Honestly that should just be the TLDR for the news thread selvut made ;)