Media Mythic Balancing Incoming?

I'm not saying to put them at the levels of legendaries, I'm saying nerf the OP ones to normal-mythic level like grimtrap and cataclysm

 

Imma make a new argument then. If you think that those mythics are so unfair to duel against then do you think its fair for people without mythics to duel with only legendaries?

 

I'm not flame warring thx

 

heres the thing, from what I read:
I think that op mythics shouldnt be nerfed since who cares if you can solo a boss that was meant to be done as a group in about 3-4 seconds with my overpowered build

 

@Flyingfrogs

 

Exactly why should it matter to others?

 

it should matter, pvp is an aspect of the game, some people do enjoy it and its sometimes fun
and lets look at Cata for a sec.
Litterally nothing that restricts you besides hp
Insane Damage
Low Req

now why shouldn't something like this be nerfed?

 

If you think a certain item in a game is unfair and you want to duel someone for fun, why not just both agree on not to use that item?

 

Before this turns into a outright flame war, let me say something. @Flyingfrogs, if you believe that mythics don't need to be rebalanced, then go ahead and think that. However, some people, including me, believe that some mythics do need a nerf. A person with ~11k health and good defenses shouldn't do 30k spin attacks, especially since cata is meant to be a glass cannon weapon, and that's exactly what's happening with cata builds nowadays.

 

Im not talking completely pvp, you have to look at PVE, now before you say something like "Who cares if you kill something faster" again.
It matters, you know why? because it's a game. Games aren't fun if all you have to do is spam Right left right. There should be some challenge in it for it to be fun.

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11k is a underestimate, right now people use something like
Morph Stardust
Boreal Aegis
Heph Forged
Paradox

Summa / Moon Pool
Diamond Static
Gigabyte

Cata
(doing 25k spins while having a crap ton of hp and defences)

 

From what I've read in your arguments, you're basically saying that mythic balancing does not matter because dueling isn't a main part of the game.

I completely disagree.

Fine, dueling isn't a main part of the game, I get that. However, that doesn't mean we should ignore it entirely. Dueling and nether can be ridiculously fun. If the devs can refine this aspect of the game so it isn't completely one-sided to cata users, cactuses, and poison abusers, then this could very well end up being one of the best parts of the endgame. It is really fun to duel different types of builds in PvP and use different ones in PvE, so long as they aren't overpowered or game-breaking.

And, even if dueling isn't a main part of the game, what's the harm in balancing mythics? Actually, let us say for instance that dueling and nether didn't even exist. Truth is, mythic balancing would still matter, because people want to use different things. A game is no fun if everybody has to use the same build to get the best results. The entire concept of builds is based around making something that fits a specific playstyle based on the user's preference, with the reward of this build being more capable at certain tasks than other builds, and in the same way less capable.

Weapons such as Cataclysm, Grimtrap, and Stratiformis, are game-breaking. You get too much for a single build with no compromise. This results in weapons like Grandmother and Inferno being rendered obsolete, because other mythics do the job better.

In my opinion, each mythic should be very powerful for a certain playstyle, but should not be good at or bad at everything. I feel that balancing is done well when players are able to have heated debates over which mythic is better. However, you can't really have a debate when comparing the capabilities of Stratiformis and Grandmother, or Inferno and Grimtrap, can you?

 

Let me bring back to this argument than, is it fair that some people have mythics and some don't? I mean most prob wont be able to compete in the nether or duels then.

 

Mythics have great replacements such as:

Gale's Force
Judas
Tidebinder
Requiem
Ignition
Undying
Slider
All the hive weapons
Etc

 

most mythics (excluding cata) have a good replacement

 

Fair is something that is based on perspective. What may be fair to one group may be completely unfair to the other, take these scenarios for instance:

People who have mythics, and possibly worked their asses off to get one, will feel cheated by the game if their mythic build could be rivaled by a much cheaper legendary build.

People who don't have mythics will feel like they are at a major disadvantage because they are constantly getting beaten by mythic builds, and will feel the game is unfair due to them requiring a mythic to be able to pvp competitively.


Fair from 2 completely different perspectives. Mythic owners will feel cheated if their mythic builds aren't any better than legendary builds, but people without mythics will feel cheated if their legendary build is completely inferior to mythic builds. In my opinion, I'd rather balance fair towards the people who do have mythics. I mean, they most likely worked really hard to get one (or got really, really damn lucky), and should at least feel like they own something special.

 

the thing is, the replacements do around 75% of the mythics damage (excluding thunder mythics and strati)
So right now its pretty balanced

 

Legendaries : "Hahaha we will shine once again !"

Rare tier items : "Hold my beer."

 

Lmao rares already beat legends
(paradox , shimmersight)

 

Same

 

obviously mythics should be rebalanced

He just doesn't want you to rebalance them because of PVP



Can we pretend that pvp literally does not exist,

because i can't stress this enough.. PVP IS SO USELESS its so infuriating when people take it seriously because it just does not matter,