SPOILER How Bob Actually Died?

This is my first theory thread, so any constructive criticism is appreciated!
This theory draws heavily from https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/sealed-letters-dern-speculation.200373/#post-2416407

This theory assumes that:
-Dern is a realm, accessed by portal, similar to, if not THE realm seen in the quest Fantastic Voyage
-The Eye is one powerful entity/creature

Now that that's cleared up, we can get started.

We know that the ancients were fleeing the Eye (from the signs in the ancient city) and fled to the Dernel jungle. Now if the Eye was chasing the ancients, it would have also come to the Dernel jungle. So where is it? I believe that the ancients used the power from the 4 crystal shards to BANISH, not kill, but banish the Eye back to Dern, destroying their own civilization in the process.

Now we know Bob died fighting a powerful beast. It is believed by many people that this beast was the beast of Dead Island. However, that could have been another hero, perhaps Ragnar, because I believe Bob died fighting the Eye. This is because: A) In Bob's letter to Nilrem, he mentions planes of existence and other realms. Now if dern is another realm, this could be what Bob was talking about. B) In the same letter, Bob mentions that the creature is in a place "Far away". Dead island isn't that far away. But Dern would be, and C) A fragment of the letter from Bob to nilrem IS FOUND ON GATEWAY ISLAND, the very island with the portal to (supposedly) Dern!

TL;DR: Bob died fighting/spent his life force sealing the Eye.

 

I mean, it could just as easily be the beast from dead island, seeing as how it too is supposed to come from Dern.

Plus, Dead Island is pretty far away from Bob's hometown of Ragni sewers. Maybe not gameplay wise, but lorewise (or rather, thinking as somebody from inside the game) you've got to travel through several towns and across an entire ocean to reach it.

Besides that, it doesn't make much sense for Bob to have travelled to Dern to kill the Eye if it was already sealed there. Sure, he was a hero, but he wasn't an idiot.

 

Do you mean Dead Island?

Also, what do you mean by the dead island beast comes from dern?

 

Grian has confirmed several times that Dernel jungle has no connection to Dern whatsoever, Dernel is just an anagram of Needlr, the former composer.

 

oh, yes, i did mean dead island
just had dern on my mind

As for the beast coming from Dern:

1. Dead island used to be Enderman Island, home to Dern Emigrants, meaning it's likely the two are connected
2. Dead island now houses Dern minions, meaning Dern certainly has influence there
3. The beast was born from a "dark," "mysterious" or "strange" egg (as it's been referred too), bought from an unknown seller from an unknown area by Siwel, a person known to "dabble in the dark arts"
4. The Egg was simply an Ender Dragon Egg, and, Dern being based off of the End and such, points towards the beast being related to Dern
5. The beast cursed the island and turned it into the 'Dern-ified' place it is now

There may be more in old lore, but there's already plenty
oh, and it does also say the beast was slain by a hero from Ragni, and since there's nothing to show that Ragnar is from Ragni, the connection is stronger to Bob than to Ragnar

 

Ah good points

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Thanks for the clarification :)

 

Dern has always been reffered to as "a far away dark place," as it is said exactly in the letters. Your first argument is null. You second argument may have weight in debunking this theory, but he did say BANISHED, not sealed away.

Edit: Just read your other spewl, Bob sealed away the creature, the dragon is very dead. It is most certainly CONNECTED to Dern, but is not the main villain. Orcs are bad and from Gavel, but are not the main evil in Gavel, for an example.
Also, @Dr Alphys, tge NAMES have nothing to with eachother. The locations do. Dernel and Dern are coincidently named, but are linked through more than similar names.

 

Is the first sentence the argument for mine being null? Because if so, gosh, i'm sorry, i didn't know similar places couldn't be called similar things, or that where things are in the present is where they came from in the past
More seriously, in the letters, the area Bob plans to travel to is simply referred to as a "land 'far' away."

If we're getting into semantics here, either banish is essentially the same thing, or the use of it in the OP was incorrect anyway:

ban·ish
ˈbaniSH/
verb

1. send (someone) away from a country or place as an official punishment.
   "they were banished to Siberia for political crimes"
   synonyms: exile, expel, deport, eject, expatriate, ostracize, extradite, repatriate, transport; More
   • forbid, abolish, or get rid of (something unwanted).
     "it's perfectly feasible to banish the smoke without banning smoking"
     synonyms: dispel, dismiss, disperse, scatter, dissipate, drive away, chase away, shut out, quell, allay
     "he tried to banish his fear"

Furthermore, if the ancients had banished or sealed away the Eye, there would be no need for him to attempt to defeat the "dark creature" anyway.

Admittedly, an argument for this theory could be the line "I am going to challenge the beast and attempt to seal it away using my own life force, for I know that is all i can do, killing it is not a option," save for the fact that this could easily just be some more conflicting lore due to different release dates between the quest and the sealed letters (which has happened before, unfortunately), the use of the word "beast" to describe the Eye, which isn't a particularly beast-like entity, and that Bob could've sealed it in the cave and doomed it to death via his sacrifice.

So, in the end, I won't fully dismiss this theory as a possibility, but right now there's just a lot more evidence that points towards it being the beast from dead island.

 

So, when we get to Dern, there is nothing there, all the evil gone, due to the beast causing the evil being dead in dead island...?

Always referred to as " "a far away dark place" - "A land 'far' away." Oddly similar to be totally different.
If the lore is outdated... well not much we can do eh?

 

yeah i never said this or implied it
not on purpose, anyway

Again, Dead Island and Dern are very similar, and thus makes sense to be called similar things.

Sadly this is going to be the case for most theories and lore discussions until the storyline is released

 

Yea I'm with ganon on this

 

Screw all of this, it's pretty obvious Bob meant Yahya!

 

What I meant by banish was that the ancients could have sent the Eye back to Dern and reduced its power enough so that it could not leave. Bob went to finish the job.

 

I think this was already assumed..

anyway @SPYROHAWK

 

Btw people already believe he died fighting/sealing the Eye rather than the Dead Island Beast.

 

I do believe Bob killed the beast on Dead Island, though that beast isn't the one the letters are referring to. Mainly it's the line that you brought up that "it will be futile to kill him" even though the beast is very well dead. The remains of the beast aren't really banished either, even that the curse is still happening and the cave isn't sealed off.

As for the actual beast, we have absolutely no idea or evidence for what it is. Sure, it might be the eye, but there is no official info. on it and just because it's supposed to be important doesn't mean that it will be the beast.

 

So? We're not talking about the Dernel Jungle. Wynnexcavation D, and the things that happen in it, while being placed in the Dernel Jungle, has quite a few connections to Dern and (possibly) the Eye.

 

I killed him

 

ya got me there

 

Oooh a tag! Let's see what weve got here...

I'm pretty sure the community agreed that was not the case. It's a physical place, but does connect to a realm (the realm of darkness (some quests call it the realm a shadow?))

Where did you come to the conclusion that the eye was chasing the ancients? The way I see it, the Eye controls Dern. The Ancients fled from Dern into the jungle using the power of the four crystals. I dont see how you go to the conclusion that the eye was chasing them. Please elaborate.

Error(?) carried forward?

Umm... no? It was made very clear in haven of antiquity that whoever fought the beast (probably Bob) survived the fight. It never mentions the "warrior from Ragni" loosing the fight. Also, in the lore of the game, most people believe Bob was killed by a pack of wolves. This part just doesn't make sense?

Yes, most people agree on this... Point?

C makes sense, A I'd argue, and B could use some work. In your B point, you mentioned how the letters say the creature is in a "far away" place. In Grian's description of dern, he calls it a "far off dark place". Both descriptions describe it as far away. That should have been your main point.

Ok... I don't mean to be rude in the slightest, but you should have looked at other threads about the same subject first. You are simply arguing what most of the community agrees on. Bob saw he could not win the fight against the Eye, so he used the last of his life force so seal it away in either Dern or the Realm of Darkness or SOMETHING. Nonetheless, it's agreed he died using his life force to seal away the eye.

It may be because I'm a bit tired and cranky right now, but I find this theory seriously lacking in substance.

I was expecting a theory on like Bob still being alive (which there is actually some evidence for) or something, but not this.

Although, I do encourage you to explain deeper your claim of the Eye chasing the Ancients and them Banishing the eye. I don't think that's the case, but I would like to see you explain it.





Also -1 point for not tagging me XD