[ Debate ] Is Attack Speed Unnecessary

Attack Speed is a feature of Wynncraft weapons. It mainly affects the rate of your melee attack and it can be buffed by gear with attack speed buff. To balance out the DPS of some weapons with faster attack speed, they have lower base damage, relatively, slower attack speed weapon has higher base damage. However, in my opinion, this feature is unnecessary. Here are my reasons.

1. It is done wrongly in terms of spell damage
Since the base dmg is balanced out by the attack speed multiplier, i.e.

But the formula is done wrongly, that means it's
( Base Damage - Defense ) * attack speed boost
instead of
( Base Damage * Attack Speed Boost ) - Elemental Defense
This gives slower attack speed weapon with high base damage the ability to abuse the elemental defense penetration, some best examples are Stinger, Alkatraz, Apocalypse. with over 1k base damage but super slow.
While Some weapons, that is meant to deal high damage with faster attack speed, like Fatal, Thrundacrack can be easily blocked by elemental defense.

2. Weapon with slower attack speed has major trouble casting spell
I am sure that almost everyone has this issue trying to cast the spell on a slow attack speed weapon while trying to cast spell, it never ends up smoothly right?
Here are some examples

Spoiler: Normal vs Very Fast

Spoiler: Normal vs Super Fast

Spoiler: Super Slow

you can clearly see that weapon with faster attack speed allows you casting spell you smoothly while weapon with slow weapon usually obstruct you from casting spell.

3.Weapon with high base dmg yet slower attack speed can abuse the + Tier attack speed ID on gear
When it comes to + Tier attack speed boost, weapon was supposed to be balanced out with low attack speed when it has high damage. Yet there is +tier attack speed boost, which allows your tier attack speed to be boosted resulting super high DPS. One good example is
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/cancer-build.186508/

My suggestion
Make all weapon attack at the same rate, and balance out their attack speed by multiplying the relative attack speed tier buff. Since it was supposed to be that in terms of spell damage anyway and it's being abused to boost melee just like how it was abuse to boost spell dmg back in 1.14 The abuse is generally the same. The positive and negative attacking speed buff can be replaced into things like spell/melee damage buff.

 

honestly if +tier had some kind of multiplier
like the higher your attack speed is the lower your melee dmg is it would be great (maybe thats what you meant idk)
also fix spell casting

 

I think attack speed is fine, just buggy. It will be balanced when those bugs get squished

 

What world are you living in? Faster weapons have always been harder to cast spells properly with, since you'll often input one too many times.

 

wat, hes living in hong kong

 

but when we look at cancer
even with more than 100% debuff, the DPS is still ridiculous, it should be greatly reworks to balance things out.

it's too buggy rn, it does nothing good in terms of melee or spell

 

Don't be mean with Alkatraz, he is actually very sad, don't make him even more sad ! :(

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Delete Cancer from the game and you will be good ! :D

 

but cancer needs more negatives
also if the melee dps was halved if you had +2 tier for example i think it would be balanced

 

That is a problem with 1.9 + since off hand slot is cut out on the server
PlayerInteractEvent is called twice when you right click since there is some weird shit going on on your off hand. Switch to 1.8 and problem solved

 

It's still a problem in 1.8.

 

well but cancer is a very unique piece utilizing poison, tier attack speed boost.
and there are alot more gear with +tier or -tier attack speed, those should also be changed shouldn't they?
It requires a large rework on attack speed boost not just one

K

 

yeah ofc it needs a rework
most people think you HAVE to use +tier with super slow weapons (cough infidel cough) and thats kinda sad

 

eh no? I can only see slower attack speed being a problem as it stops you from casting a spell completely.
Even though, that should prove that in your opinion, weapon is slower attack speed benefits casting

 

Pull a stinger and add another 0 on the negitives

 

*inserting a meme*

using Infidel

Cancer

damage

poison

cancerous

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oh did I forget to mention Quake?

 

Having a slower attack speed doesn't stop inputs. You don't need to finish attacking to cast a spell

 

again, I dont see your issue there, I have encountered my problem on casting spells with other players @orange0401 @Pokextreme , is there anybody else having trouble to cast spell with a fast attack speed weapon?

 

The point is that there aren't any physical limitations on slower attack speeds. Probably the same for faster ones; most likely just a difference between people and their timings.

 

Imo attack speed is a key part of the game, removing it will change gameplay a lot.You'll find items of the same attack spd everytime, and that's not very exciting...

 

In this example, I show how hard it is to successfully cast a spell with super slow alkatraz, most of the spells I cast got obstructed ( I press the spell casting sequence, yet the spell is not casted. )

I still do not understand your issue, can you show me a video example.

I personally agree that this is a fun feature, but attack speed is currently very buggy and abusable, I don't think it should stay like this.