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Some Province Speculation (warning: Dern)

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by StarroZeld, May 1, 2017.

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  1. StarroZeld

    StarroZeld Well-Known Adventurer

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    Bear with me here, I'm only level 73 and I haven't done the "finding the light" quest (please make volt goat horn less rare), so many of these things are probably wrong.

    Anyways, according to Wynnexcavation site d, corruption in Wynn results from two realms fighting, in this case light and darkness. With me so far?

    Then, according to Taproot (again, haven't done finding the light so I'm probably wrong), Gavel was a light province tainted by darkness (the decay) thanks to greed and other negative aspects of Gavel.

    So, the problems in Wynn are the battle between light and darkness, while in gavel it's darkness taking over light parts (or perhaps villagers bringing in darkness? regardless the decay has something to do with darkness).

    So, what about Dern? I highly doubt it's a realm, like how the light-filled province of Gavel is a province and not a realm, but you can still go to the realm of light (I guess) in Gavel. If this trend continues, then I suppose that Dern and the dark realm are two different things. However, Wynn is something which peaks my interest because its corruption is a fight between the light and darkness. This would suggest that they're both causing damage, and it's not just darkness that's causing damage to Wynn. It ALSO means that the undead in Wynn is not a creation of darkness at all.

    Here's the part where I speculate the most: Dern is completely fine with it being the province of Darkness. The people(?) there are happy without light being in their lives at all. What's invading them and ruining their day is light - think of it as a reverse decay. In my observations, all of the problems in wynncraft aren't caused by the realms themselves, rather by them fighting or disrupting the other. If this theory holds water, then the province of Dern would be an example of darkness actually helping a province instead of destroying it, and could present a message about balance rather than about light.

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    This is where I add other speculations after the initial posting.

    The "coming soon" sign on the map I know means something - some people don't think it's Dern, but I'm almost sure that's what it is. As I have said that Dern is a province with a lot of darkness, I think it's also a province filled with the dead - not the undead, but the dead. It still counts as a province because the dead don't go to the realm of darkness directly, that's for beings of darkness. Instead, I think, they go to Dern. They live there in peace, and without too much interruption from light. Why they don't just go to a traditional afterlife (heaven, hell) is because that role has already been occupied with realms. Yet, spirits and ghosts still exist, so they need to go somewhere.

    Enter Mael Twain. He is the second-to-last NPC you talk to in "Grave Mistake." The site of the "Grave Mistake" quest is RIGHT NEXT to the "coming soon" sign on the map. The actual quest uncovers the truth of Mael Twain, and how he helped the spirits through passing them on. How did he help them? By taking them to Dern. Dern, a land (not a realm) of darkness is a place where the dead are, which makes darkness essentially equal to death. This would support the assumption (and, at this point, fact) that light is equal to life (as seen in the lively province of Gavel). This would ALSO explain the undead - when light fights against darkness, light and dark combine into a strange and threatening combination of life and death: the undead.

    So, I'm thinking that the problems associated with Dern are related to light and not darkness. Darkness is responsible for death, and light for birth. These are both things that darkness and light enjoy, and have personally crafted them for the sake of, surprisingly, the inhabitants! (humans, villagers, et cetera) They were created by a combination of life and death. All of these inhabitants were born, and then they all die. However, if they were cooperating before, why are they fighting now? Well, Gavel is an amazing province, even according to the people that live there (this is before the decay). If the rest of my speculation is true, then I think Dern was a great province as well, but it was also the opposite of Gavel. What I suspect happened is that the realms became envious and jealous of each other, and their inhabitants' happiness. This is despite the similar quality in land and power. So, they fight... but not in the real world. They fight in the nether instead.

    They continue fighting there and not risking the wealth and health of the humans, villages, etc. until the portal to the nether is mined out by miners in Wynn. The spirits and users of realm magic come busting out of the portal, and are forced to fight in Wynn. Why couldn't they just stay in the Nether? I don't know, perhaps they were forced out. Anyways, This leads them to fighting in Gavel and Dern, leading to the situation 1,000 years later.

    Tell me what you think!
     
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  2. Aya

    Aya Very Serious Gensokyo Journalist HERO

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    interesting...
    this takes me again to the point
    why do we fight each other?
    WHY CANT WE ALL BE FRIENDS AND RESPECT OTHERS OPINIONS? ;-;
     
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  3. StarroZeld

    StarroZeld Well-Known Adventurer

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    My post in a nutshell, apparently.
     
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    I like this theory... it could very well be like this.
     
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    I think many of the problems are caused by the realms, but there's a clear difference between the goals of the light realm(a world of happiness) and the goals of the darkness realm(not sure yet but probably a dark world with torture). So I think the dark realm wants might but the light realm wants to help others.
     
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    StarroZeld Well-Known Adventurer

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    I just added a bunch more speculation in my original post. I could have done it in a seperate post, but it's too late now I guess.
     
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    StarroZeld Well-Known Adventurer

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    Imma put some more speculative stuff here, though it's less related to provinces.

    First, about the door of time. I think it leads to the realm of time instead of simply travelling you through time. I think this because a door isn't a time-travelling "machine," it simply leads you to one. What is the realm of time? Well, it's basically the realm of life or darkness, except for time. Time beings would be responsible for the past, present, and future, but this is kind of creating my own lore, so...

    Second, imma talk about what level I think Dern is. Gavel was allowed to be whatever level it wanted, since it was across an ocean (as was Corkus). However, Dern is right next to Wynn, and some relatively lower-level parts, too, so I don't think it's a higher level area. Rather, I'd say it's a level 25-55 level province, making it relatively low level. However, this doesn't mean it's irrelevant for higher-level players. It just means that's what most of the quests and mobs' level ranges are, as there might be a very high-level boss in Dern.

    That's all for now.
     
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    Isn't the realm of darkness just the Nether? That's where corruption stems from after all, especially in wynn.
     
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    Uh, corruption =/= darkness.
     
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    Another thing; we don't know what the darkness is. There's Corruption and Decay. Darkness may refer to both or neither, we don't actually know.

    Furthermore, the Nether is the only thing similar to the realm of light that we know exists in Wynn. It's the closest thing that we can confirm exists. If the End was known to be real, that'd be a whole other story.
     
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    StarroZeld Well-Known Adventurer

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    Sure: Darkness isn't evil, Dern is darkness and Gavel is light, corruption =/= darkness, darkness = death and dern is afterlife.

    That's pretty much the whole thing.

    Also, Nether is not a realm.
     
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    Fair enough
    You mean the corresponding realm, right?
    Good
    How?
    We don't go there in beyond the grave
    How?
     
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    I need to record and play through about 70 more quests then I should come back and read this again.. Super interesting though.
     
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    StarroZeld Well-Known Adventurer

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    I'll respond to these in order:

    Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

    In Taproot, light is demonstrated as the thing that gave the life in the light forest, not some other unknown force. So, light = life. Darkness is demonstrated as death via the decay, or at least by a property of opposites. Thus, darkness = death.

    Well, we don't, but Mael Twain does. He's the one helping the dead, and I think he wouldn't be able to do that in the middle of nowhere. Thus, he placed his mansion next to the Dern Province. This could also mean a shortcut for the dead, now that I think about it.

    A realm, from what I can tell, is where magic lives, breathes, and survives in the form of spirits. The Nether is completely unlike this, as it has ruins and could simply be another "dimension," for lack of a better word, like in Minecraft.

    Sorry if that was a bit long.
     
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    Mael Twain didn't place the mansion there, his father (Marius Twain) did. Marius had 4 children, of which Mael was the only one to stay behind at the Manor. Your point of the mansion being intentionally placed bordering Dern for helping the dead pass on is therefore invalid.
     
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