Media Nirvana Or Weathered?

Isn't the top 3 DPS'
Cata
Strati
Thrunda?

 

Nope, Thrunda only has 1040 DPS

 

The neutral conversion does not add damage in and of itself. It literally only changes the type of damage (though on spells it still acts like neutral damage). The bonus damage comes directly from the other part of the powder... not the neutral conversion. Nirvana gets the same damage bonus from powders as Weathered does, assuming you use the same type of powder.

 

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And personally I would pick weathered over nirvana
My opinion here is based on my experience on using nirvana and weathered with the same build that made by @Kraby
Let's not make deep caculation into dmg
What nirvana is good at
The intelligence and mana regen
What nirvana is bad at
The -ve and normal atk spd
Despite nirvana having super high int buff, if ur build managed to get 129 int which is enough until u hit 147int for 1 less mana on multihit
Weathered has an advantage of being a very fast atk spd which has better spell casting detection then nirvana being normal nirvana
As a water weapon for spell build, not able to spell spam is a critical error
Basically if u use weathered u can use pick a piece mana regen gear to cover up the mana regen missed
If u use nirvana u can use ws gear
Omw they work kinda the same
But weathered is still better cuz of the atk spd

 

I prefer nirvana
overall weathered is slightly better but because the air armor powder passive is useless af and the water one is op it makes nirvana better in the long run
when you spell spam with nirvana even your melee can get to like 2k per hit
average spin for my nirvana build is 5.5k when i spam tho , it can go up to 12k
and hell when i use curse i can get 20k spins

 

If you are dead Serious...

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I guess i have no reason to play being stuck grinding on one class to 95, and another i need to get ??? done with so it can use that armor when in the quest gap of 90/91-95. And i REFUSE to play another class, after the second it starts to get tedious as hell.

Welp, i might go gone for a while, but i'll eyeing out on 4/1/2017 due to Corkus being a joke, and April fool's day and all

Now for what the thread is for:

Now since i havn't played in ages, i can't give a good opinion on this. i have a weathered i dont want if you wanna buy it, the price i heard it was 7-9 stacks or something like that. However that was a few months ago, and the inflation that wynncraft has is as crazy as the nether freezing over. If you wanna see it i can get a screneshot in a few hours of posting this.

I'd go with Nirvana personally, but only 'cause i've been using spell spammer builds with only hints of speed boosting here and there. Basised? Indeed, but an opinion you were asking for.

 

Because they're expensive...

 

Thats what I mean. Since nirvanna doesn have neutral damage, there is no conversion. Thats what Im saying

 

there is still a conversion but there isnt any neutral lowered because there already is no neutral damage but it still adds the damage for neutral and water. or in another way conversion doesn't equal a damage boost

 

just get a grim or inferno

 

*Facepalms again.*

Listen, conversion =/= damage boost.

Converting changes the elemental type of damage. Let's say I have a bow with 100 neutral damage, and I add a powder that only converts 25% of the damage to air. I now have a bow with 25 air damage and 75 neutral damage, which still totals 100 damage, but it is split between elements now. Your overall damage does not increase from converting.

Only powder slots and type will affect the amount of damage you get as a boost. If you look at a powder it has a % and a raw damage bonus. The % is the amount converted, this does not boost damage. You do not need neutral conversion to boost damage.

The thing you are seeing as a damage boost is the raw damage bonus. The raw damage bonus does not require pre-existing neutral damage. It simply adds on, no matter what.

In essence, you do not need neutral conversion to boost damage, because it simply doesn't do that. The raw damage bonus does however and it works for all weapons that have powder slots.

 

I know that

Im saying weathered gets more damage because it has neutral damage and nirvanna doesnt

But weathered gets more from the powder because of the conversion, right?

I know how powders work.

 

The conversion does not make it so Weathered gets more overall damage from the powders. Weathered just has a naturally higher dps and about equal amount of powder slots.

 

Actually, factoring IDs, Weathered gets an immediate 5-20% boost to ALL converted damage due to it's +air damage

 

Clearly I had meant in terms of base damage; thats the effect of the ids for the most part not the powder. Additionally, that may as well be the same argument for using water powders on Nirvana whose high intel buffs it just the same.

 

However, Nirvana already has no neutral damage, so while from the get-go it gets a 15% damage boost overall from the powders, it gets less damage from it's respective powders overall (not to mention attack speed gives Weathered an advantage anyways)

 

First, I'd like to say that I agree that Weathered is better in my opinion.

Secondly, I did state that access to ids via conversion does boost damage, BUT conversion itself does not add damage. The main argument prior was that being able to convert damage gave it an advantage. This does not affect it, as Nirvana is already thriving off of Intel damage buffs to water damage, thereby making the neutral damage argument void. Since in the end, both thrive off of element % ids, it doesn't do anything to have neutral damage that you are going to make into air anyway.

 

I dont actually which and which does more dmg
but yea curse is good
I've actually conisdered making Air Water Water Weathered build for the curse but meh Fast atk has low base dmg already dun wanna ruin it and double element is 90% dumb idea

 

Your gonna end up with:
Air/water
Air/water
Air/water
Air/water
Air/water
Air/water
Air/water
Air/water
Air/water
Air/water
As your builds

 

That's what Im saying. Weathered gets more dps from the powders