Haxforums Should Be Limited On Territory Influence

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There is way too much flaming in here, and I'm not too sure that singling out any one guild, or even two or three, is a really good idea. The guild system is BROKEN right now. That doesn't mean that it will remain broken forever. So, chill out. I fully understand the reason for the animosity in here against the larger guilds - they are, for all practical purposes, unchallengable. For now. Chill out. No one knows what changes may be made to guilds, if any, when they get fixed. And I understand that you all want to play with guilds, and run guild wars, and gain territory, RIGHT NOW. But guilds are broken, RIGHT NOW, so you all may have to get creative. OK?

WE NOW RETURN YOUR THREAD, BUT KEEP IT CIVIL.

 

Then we'll just invade Xentrela and Dungeon Realms

 

arent they both dead?

 

I think that was his point. . . ..

 

*insert salted saying how he has to rewrite all the code, even after deleting player data players will be stuck in guild*

 

Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving"; also known ascircular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.
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Burden of Proof is a fallacy in which the burden of proof is placed on the wrong side. Another version occurs when a lack of evidence for side A is taken to be evidence for side B in cases in which the burden of proof actually rests on side B. A common name for this is an Appeal to Ignorance.

They ARE the competition. They are the people that you MUST overcome to own a portion of wynn territory, and in any case, once guilds become useful, Hax will NOT be able to hold nearly as much territory.

You make a claim, but give absolutely 0 evidence for said claim. I'm ignoring this one, everybody else should too.

Holding everything IS the challenge. I don't even get what you're saying here.

This entire sentence is a grammar shithole, but aside from that, lets look at the content of the message.
You're saying that because of the detriment on your side when you try to war, (3 minute cooldown), that Hax should back off and let you have some territories.

NEWSFLASH: YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY GUILD WHO WANTS TERRITORIES. I estimate ~8 actively warring guilds right now, all better prepared than you, but EVERYBODY has to deal with the exact same problem, bugs, glitches, ETC. You are NOT special. Go home, you snowflake.


First message done, everything refuted, get some new points please.

Second:

Only stupid people say something like this.
^ is an example of poisoning the well, which is a logical fallacy that you appear to be very in tune with.

You're trying to instantly discredit ANYBODY who disagrees with you by labeling their statements as a JOKE, which while being another logical fallacy (Echo Chamber), is also poisoning the well.

Firstly, monopolies are LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to establish in an MMORPG game.
Secondly, back to the first fallacy
Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving"; also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.
Do you have any proof that they're "cheating the game" in some way?
The rest of this message is just rhetorical nonsense, saying that they should "stop" whilst giving ABSOLUTELY 0 proof once again.

If you keep this up, I'll break apart the rest of your "valid responses" and "strong claims" too.

 

well... most of us have ranks and we abused the totem afk grinding
and we are pretty rich
other than that idk

 

Wow lol That post looks like you took some time to figure all that out over a suggestion, you do realize that no matter what I suggest or anybody for that matter, the simple truth is that if there still delaying and ignoring the whole issue of the guilds for as long as they truly already have, then theres really no logic into believing they would instead attempt or even try implementing a quick fix onto a broken system, when them working on it at all would be in there better interest just to repair the whole thing. So I dont see why your getting so elaborate and defensive over something that isnt going to happen anyway, its just an idea. What I'm trying to say is, .. calm down. Its obvious the playing field in the guilds is totally unfair and when the only ppl that are on here arguing, are from large guilds where the only impact to them would be with the means to just slowing there xp income or money wise, unless theres some other glitching problems there im not sure, I probably wont ever get the chance to reach those heights the way it is now anyway to know first hand. I mean do you really have to have that many places on the map? really? your that greedy.. I mean to even complain about allowing others to have a chance at the guild game that honestly, seriously dont have the amount of time or man power the larger groups of ppl in these higher guilds would have. So really it almost in a sense makes these glitches a non-issue for there control of close to 80% of map. This is just something temporary people, im not wanting it to be like that just as much as anybody else, but that just allows it to be possible and fair for everybody, not just for you larger guilds.

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btw thats the whole reason im doing this cuz there not fixing it, its obvious, so what about a quickfix for NOW, not months and months away. Worse thing could happen is it not happen in my stand point right? :P I hate drama though but I'll argue my point if I see something to be as unfair as it really is right now. Anybody can sugar coat it however they want.

 

Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwiː/; Latin for, "you also") or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal logical fallacy that intends to discredit the validity of the opponent's logical argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s).

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Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving"; also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.


Please, I'm actually starting to get pissed at you at this point, the amount of nonsensical garbage spewing out from your keyboard rivals that of a fucking feminazi.

yes there is. Here it is:

You're the one getting defensive, do you not understand that this idea is bad and should not be implemented? You constantly argue that its correct, the best plan of action, etc, while giving ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE to back up your claims. On top of that, you love piling logical fallacies onto this mean like its some sort of fucking salami topping.

you start making sense first.

An association fallacy is an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often by appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another.

I literally said to not even try to pull this fucking bullshit.

I have a solution, GIT GUD. Play the !@#$ing game, level up your $!@#ing classes, and solo $!@#ing territories. Then recruit $!@#ing members to $!@#ing help you with your own $!@#ing shit. Quit $!@#ing complaining about the $!@#ing success of others and trying to $!@#ing bring them down for your own $!@#ing benefit.

False. You're the one SETTING UP TENT IN A FUCKING ECHO CHAMBER. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WANTS THIS TO HAPPEN, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SUGGESTED THIS.

It already is fair.

Once again, all your points are absolute bullshit, and I recommend you actually respond to my messages. Ignoring me calling out your logical fallacies and shredding every single individual statement you make says a LOT about your position.

Overall, everything you've said is honestly stupid, and this idea should NEVER be implemented.

 

read what moe said :D

 

I'm trying my best to remain mostly logical, an amount of swearing doesn't mean I'm flaming. I'm actually just nailing his stance into a fucking coffin.
Ok fine I'll stop swearing ¬_¬

 

also its te cause your using the word "you" in such context that it is not the subject (at least i think i'm only in latin 2)
EDIT: If your using google translate its really innaaccurate ;-;

 

Google it, its different for fallacies/objective statements iirc. I think its in a different tense or something like that.

 

I've seen many of these threads but this one has an adamant protester and has definitely gotten the spiciest. I personally am a bit frustrated that about only the top 24 Guilds on the server have a single territory or more, and also that the system is broken and I can't even kick out/add players to the Guild. Here's where you're wrong; dethroning the most powerful guilds in Wynncraft and real MMORPG games isn't possible, isn't fair, and NEVER works. It's incredibly naive thinking and if anything it would be detrimental to aspiring guilds; the audience you're trying to help. Why? It's a discouragement for any other guild to try and be #1, knowing that if they had a breakthrough of strong, determined players looking to overthrow the hierarchy, people would start making forum threads on how to limit THEM TOO. This would kill the point of competition.

So no, I'm not going to hate on Hax or support this idea on the basis of your flawed and naive, albeit insistent reasoning. A mandate like this would only breed further demands for whatever Guild could inevitably surpass the limits of the first. This suggestion coming to fruition would create a cycle that would leave the Guild Wars system forever dormant, and honestly, would be shameful on the Wynncraft staff and their codes of conduct.

Just to clarify, my guild was once in the top 20 on the server and now we're struggling to stay top 100 so you're hearing from a non-"major guildie" here. If by this point, thread creator, you still believe you have FRESH, SUBSTANTIATED points and PROVEN merits to your madness, by all means I'd delight in hearing it. I guiltily enjoy investigating spicy flame wars and dropping words of wisdom walls of text on top of opinions I claim unjust, and yours is among them.

 

Maybe they're using... hax

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Im not in a large guild and im annoyed with that

 

Honestly, this is getting agitating, there are way too many threads about this. Look kiddo, I don't know if you were here before Gavel, but the same exact thing that happened now (WHEN GUILDS WERE STILL BROKEN MIND YOU GOD DAMMIT) happened. Or was happening. Thanks to Fuq and TNA (RIP).
But then Hax happened. And the alliance too, but still. Actually, I give credit to UXs, because I saw their takeover happen for a bit before Hax. Not the point, off with my incessant rambling.

As soon as guilds get fixed (soontm blah blah blah), I can promise you there will be a gigantic power struggle. I personally will make sure that HHU gets it's rise of glory again, and tons of other guilds will try to do the same. In other words, guess what? The same thing will happen again. There will be an alliance that is formed again, and then people will complain because THEY will have all the territories.

First Fuq/TNA, now Hax (+alliance), then someone else.

It's a cycle god dammit.

And it's one that actually works consistently.

Unlike my toaster (I WANT MY FUCKING EGGOS DAMMIT).

 

Tetra (Wasn't around for them but I assume they took control of the map) > Legio > TNA & Fuq > Ordo > Hax and their allies.

You left out a few other guilds/alliances that have dominated the map in the past.

 

How is it obvious that there isn't any work being done on guilds? What proof do you have? Have you spoken with the admins? Have they told you that they aren't working on guilds?

What quick fix? What exactly would you fix? What piece of the guild code, exactly, would you suggest that Jumla re-code? How do you know that that is *the* specific piece that needs work? How do you know that changing that one piece won't break other parts of the guild code?

How is it unfair? How is being the strongest unfair in an MMORPG?

What "it" is being sugar coated?

Are you certain that you want to single out Hax, or would you like to make this a generic argument against whatever guild is the top guild?

Unless you can demonstrably answer each of my above questions with complete and knowledgeable answers, I really don't see where you have a leg to stand.

 

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