The Community As Of Now

Personally, humans are quite hard to understand. Much more than animals it seems. As for the community, it is mostly majority of users who likes to sh*tpost stuff, being timid, and possibly sharing overused memes. All these stuff are basically what makes the internet such a complicated place to be in.

Sadly, it is rare to see people who likes to share advice and thoughts to others in most threads. A forum is designed to DISCUSS thoughts and advices, adding in making deals (Trade Market). But forums also have the tendency to have sources to derails things with ease as it grows. Toxicity is one of the sources that can't really be easily avoided due to the ease of access of the internet. People share trends and people to see it most likely share it to their friends. Unforunately, in a long run this could end in an ugly trainwreck that people probably can't even notice.

As for tribes, I think this as some kind of fanbase or a group that do what they want. Some are good, but some are bad. People stick with a specific fanbase/group and probably likes it in a long run. But then, whenever there's a content that shares similar traits to the original, people starts to poke fun or even argue about it. This... it limits ideas and free space to express your creations as the majority of people want to see the original letting off the attention to other stuff.

In conclusion, the internet community is really a complicated place to be and understand with. People strive of fame and popularity till possibly lose themselves. I do hope people will possibly interact to people as in "Breaking the Ice" fashion as this helps people to understand each person's personality.

P.S: This is just my thought. I haven't joined in much conversations as other does. I mean, just look at my P/L ratio. I'm more of a shy, creative person rather than a talkative one. Sorry.

 

Heya Ice! Been a long time :3
To be honest, I agree with most things you've mentioned in your post. However, compared to how it's been before I think we, as a community, have also improved significantly. While you nowadays might find a mean comment on a newbie's thread, there'll usually also be an answer, and in the best case the rude one is even ignored. Some might take that for granted, but thinking back I can remember all those threads being filled with "nicefind.avi" comments, with the author's question being ignored completely. If people stop positvely reacting to such replies the will soon vanish, and the more people provide real help the more others will take that as an example.

Regarding likes and the recognition they bring I feel like it's important to add that it's something quite normal, happening almost everywhere. I agree that the reasons for "liking" something and the general attitude of well known forumers should change though. Currently rather mean jokes or sarcastic comments are greeted with way too much appreciation, and some don't care about the negative effect that those have for everyone else at all. In my opinion not the "likes" in general but the attitude of some who possess them is the problem. If we return to being a welcoming and friendly community newcomers will look up to well known players instead of feeling supressed, and I think we are on the right way.
Same goes for "clubs" and groups within the community. I personally don't see them as a problem, since most of them are quite open to the public - joining one can be great fun, and no one's forcing you to stay.

That said, I think the community has improved a lot over time, and we can go even further when we reach out to others and tackle the problems the forum and its users have together. Of course some of us are already trying to do exactly that, but in order to really change something here and also ingame we need more than a few individuals.

 

Hey... dude... can this not be here... I mean, the thread was kinda just like talking about this... so, I mean... yea... you know... I just feel like this might not be needed...

 

while i agree that the desire for likes can make a forum a bit worse, i think it's better handled on these forums than others. you look at other forums, and the effect mentioned here is more obvious.
meanwhile, idk if you can really see the effect here; after all, a lot of the posts aren't that bad (even if they are a little shitpost-y)

while it's true that people in these tribes will support fellow tribesmen (like in the real world), these tribes seem generally welcoming (or at least tolerating) of newcomers. sure, there'll always be a few bad parts here and there, but it doesn't really seem as bad as you say it is.

perhaps you haven't looked hard enough at the newcomers? i'd say that generally they come for wynncraft discussion (this being primarily a wynncraft forum), discuss wynncraft, and eventually move forward to other sections, some of which have these tribes. while i do agree that it can be an uneven playing field, the newcomers can eventually join these tribes and be more active in them and other sections; some of these tribes aren't as closed-off as you might think.

then again, what do i know, i don't even have 50 messages lmao

also

"mini"

 

I was referring to my earlier days on the forums when I was working on my reputation. Sure, I'm more popular now, but I can't imagine how hard it would be for newbies to gain a reputation nowadays.

 

For all of those people posting irrelevant content on this thread, you're only demonstrating the issue that resides in our community. You post "triggered" memes or "leet" speak whenever the other members are discussing the toxicity factor of the community. Your off-topic (and possibly rude) posts only show the others that this issue continues to persist in the community, including when we are discussing the community as a whole.

It's those comments that make us realize the problems in our community, and if we were to eliminate those problems our community would be a better place. So please, if you're looking to be funny or sarcastic on this thread, I can't prevent you from doing that, but remember that others concerned with the community's status are looking at this thread and will identify you as the problem.

 

"Toxicity"

 

@I'm the Ice Guy , time to add my two cents here. I consider myself a lone wolf, not many people know me despite being here and on the content team for over 3 and a half years now, but I like it this way.

Any way what I wanted to say was I totally agree with the issue of forumers shutting down other members to meet their own gains, whether it be a climb to fame/popularity or to get more likes. The helpfulness I see on most posts such as finding Easter eggs or losing items is pretty poor, but that's not to say I don't believe the community can change its attitude.

Furthermore those who have these 'cults' or 'inner circles' as I like to put it will dominate these forums as long as it remains the same. By having a rank such as mod or being well known it doesn't necessarily matter what you post, likes will still be raked in. From what I've witnessed many people are like sheep following a crowd or are just trying to be funny and in the process rude. Now I could point fingers and list a lot of the 'popular forumers' as you aforementioned but that would defeat the purpose and make me no better than the rest.

I believe whilst we may not be able to entirely change the nature of the community, particularly on the forums we can try. These things happen because it's in human nature to want to be the alpha dog and the easiest way to become this, is if you discredit and shut down someone else to make yourself popular. Thank you for posting this thread and I hope this brings the issues mentioned into the light for the rest of the community to see, whether you are those popular forumers or the lone wolves like me.

 

This post seems kinda irrelevant in terms of community toxicity. Sure people might think that have a lot of likes and having a lot of reputation is a good thing, but it's honestly not. Why exactly do people want fame and reputation in the first place. A simple answer to this question is that you are insecure of yourself and so you find that gaining reputation is a good way to fix that. This isn't the case with everyone, some people do it for noble reasons like making friends, etc, etc. Reputation has drawbacks though. Relying on others is a weakness that can easily be taking advantage of and therefore I find this to be a big issue. I do not like reputation and groups running the forums is that big of a deal. If your effected by someone cussing you out on the internet you must really need a new hobby.

 

Many people have invested themselves in this community enough to be effected. It's okay to be uninvested, but the people who are shouldn't be thought of as weak or feeble. That mindset is what creates the toxicity people mentioned.

I do agree that people shouldn't take huge offense, but people do and I cannot change that, neither can you. The people who want likes and popularity are not any different than you. You have your insecurities. You're not a badass. I'm not a badass. People just express themselves in different ways. Saying that the people who want likes are simply doing it to justify something they feel is lacking is a blanket statement that just doesn't represent enough of the community.

 

Yes, however, this is a community, not just the internet. People also do come onto the internet for help with personal issues, however that isn't the main issue here.

The issue here is that if the community falls apart, then less people will want to play the server, thus creating a chain reaction that will cause the downfall of the server as a whole... that's the big issue here, at least that's how I see it.

 

The people who truly do invest themselves in this community are not weak in fact it's quite the opposite. I'm talking about the groups of people who say they invest in the community but simply gain reputation and fame for more selfish reasons. I also think that it's true that you nor I can fix that people get offended over small things, but it's definitly not impossible to fix.

 

I'd like to post something positive here like the others, but I'm too much of an asshole. Sorry.

 

I haven't actually seen the forums change much. I really haven't been on here long. I joined on the 1st of July. So I've been about 5 months on these forums. But in the time that I have been here, people have been really nice and helpful. Which to me, is a good sign. When I posted a noob question there were people who answered in a civilized way. And there have been people who are just nice and helpful anyways. And I think the lack of toxicity was what me push further into the forums - not be so timid.
Another thing is that I was fairly high-level when I joined. Now, in my experience, most people are under level 60 when they join the forums. Of course, there will be the crowd that is high-level... but that's not the point.
And when I joined I knew a lot about the game itself. So I was able to help people, too.
And for me, helping people makes me feel good inside. Like, "I hope that I was helpful," even if I know I was. And when someone said "thanks," that also made me feel good - because I was helping someone, I guess. And the same kinda thing happens to me IRL. And I think most other people feel this way when they help someone. And I think people should help other people more. It's worth it.

Let's talk about 'tribes' again.
I've seen a few big guilds put on celebrations. For the guild. And personally, I think that's a good idea. I feel like people shouldn't be angsty when they aren't included in the guild's party. Why? Because they weren't the ones who helped the guild make this achievement that inspired the party.
And now that I've looked further at some stuff, I guess I see the 'tribes' more. And in my opinion, they're pretty welcoming. And I feel like they have a (sort of) right to be... let's say apprehensive about newcomers. There is always a chance that the newcomer is toxic, or bratty or something. And if the newcomer does turn out to be one of those, I think that the 'tribes' and also people who define their self to be a 'lone wolf' should try to help the newcomer be less toxic. And in my opinion, stuff like that can create bonds and help the community. If people are more accepting and help people who just seem to not want to be nice, I think this could affect the overall "mood" of the community. And when 'outsiders' see how nice the community is, I think they'll be prompted to join as well.


And now... I want to talk about Mineplex/Hypixel.
Honestly, they aren't so bad.
It's the playerbase.
Sure, there are some good nice players out there.
And then there are the toxic people.
And the nicer ones don't help them. Why? Because they're in the minority. Why? Because there are new people joining every day. And when they see the majority of people being toxic, they think, "Oh this guy who has MVP/Titan or whatever is being really toxic - that means it's ok that I can be toxic too!" (well add to the fact that they're pay2win)
And we don't want that to happen to Wynncraft.
Actually - It' won't happen. Why? Because most if not almost all the people who play are genuinely nice and helpful and want to help, and not make this server a toxic place.

 

That just means we post a lot.

 

I'm extremely pleased with the conversiation going on on this thread (minus the odd 1 liner shitposts). I'm also very glad that those who are arguing against me are doing so in a civilized manner!

 

ye GG MAKE FORUMS GREAT AGAIN
Jk. I do agree with the points though. Very well written thread.

 

SO MANY WALLS OF TEXT. It's almost like Trump came through here.

Anyway.

I agree with both of these. I think that the forums is really lacking in the kind of people that are the "Good Samaritan" type. You know, the kind of people that actually help others out. Usually, when a post like "I lost X" or "I found a secret" appears, the first comment is almost always mocking the poster. This is not something that should be ignored. People actually need to help others, and not post mocks at them.

TLDR: We need people to be more friendly towards each other.

 

(This is not a mocking video. That's a serious video that sums up everything you said about how likes are evil.)

 

aaaaaaa 2 much wallz of texts
my brain is sad

yea..

le peeps who are famous are liek celebrities- they get loads of likes for a comment...
it is understandable that most of le peeps who famous have content that's enjoyable..
but mob mentality sometimes *cough *cough mostly *cough *cough forces us to like stuff.
toxic people are peeps who are egotistical people who live in their mom's basement :)


but there is definitely a big like bias towards more well known people..
noobs who say funny stuff get much much much less likes than if a famous person said it.