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Hard Reset.

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by Nepeta Leijon, Jun 29, 2016.

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Do you think we should have a Hard Reset?

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  1. Antra

    Antra Malding since 2014 HERO

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    dam you with that strati
     
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  2. noelscrap

    noelscrap Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    Some players would quit, and there would be threads all over the forums hating this hard reset. However, this would be pretty good imo.
     
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  3. Nepeta Leijon

    Nepeta Leijon Rogue of Heart ♌ Leittarius CHAMPION

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    Well, as I said:

    I just wanted to gather people's thoughts on the concept of it; this is in no way me saying it should happen.
     
  4. Antra

    Antra Malding since 2014 HERO

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    the players that are against it are prob players that reached lvl 101 or have tons and tons of items and le.

    THOSE ARE ALSO THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO GET RID OF
     
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  5. Nepeta Leijon

    Nepeta Leijon Rogue of Heart ♌ Leittarius CHAMPION

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    Why do I feel like Hitler suddenly...
     
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  6. Creecreeprs

    Creecreeprs Call me cree HERO

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    Before read this, I want you to know that's I understand your point.
    For the economy, yes some items worth lots of LE (or stacks, but rarely for legendary or rare, most of the time for Mytic). But if you grind and do your quest normaly from the start to lvl 90, you will get lots of legendary and good ided items. If you sell them for the right price, you can get easly 64-128 LE at lvl 90.
    For the guild, a resest will gives the opportunity to smaller guilds to take territory, but only for the first week. After, I'm sure the Hax or other Great Guild will take back all the maps defend full level 70.

    So has you can see, I not agree with an hard reset ^^
     
  7. Hiryu

    Hiryu not so lazy artist VIP

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    I honestly think this is a good idea and very dumb, it would be fun to play as level one again. But IMO, I think the Cactus Build is apart of the game (I don't use it btw). I mean, why else would the items which are required for the build be there?
     
  8. Antra

    Antra Malding since 2014 HERO

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    Hitler had a way as they teached me in school...
     
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  9. Nepeta Leijon

    Nepeta Leijon Rogue of Heart ♌ Leittarius CHAMPION

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    Cactus right now usually means people abusing the life steal glitch to become immortal; the concept of 100% Thorns and Reflection is fine.
     
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    Hiryu not so lazy artist VIP

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    TNA IS AMAZING
     
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  11. RemRin

    RemRin Goddess of Air HERO

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    HEIL NEPETA LEIJON
     
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  12. Hiryu

    Hiryu not so lazy artist VIP

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    Oh! I thought it's like you stand still with high defense (which you won't take damage at all) and the mobs will literally drop dead around you.
     
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  13. Nepeta Leijon

    Nepeta Leijon Rogue of Heart ♌ Leittarius CHAMPION

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    Mobs essentially heal the player with the life steal.
     
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  14. Hiryu

    Hiryu not so lazy artist VIP

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    #WhenLifeStealWasOP
     
  15. Orange Wybel

    Orange Wybel Fluffy Orange Ball of Death

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    As a person who used to play alot of vanilla . Map resets were the best things in the world . I really enjoyed the excitement of everyone starting fresh and racing to get endgame. The endgame players really had nothing to do once they reached it so a map reset forced them to take the awesome journey again which they probably enjoyed more than relaxing at end game. It also made us interact with each other more because we now needed things from others .

    However , not everyone sees it this way . Some players would definitely quit after a map reset because the server reset on them while they were "mid-journey" . Some feel like they worked so hard to get where they are and they wont do it again . Some just have stuff they need to do and a hard reset just gave them the perfect excuse to quit .

    Of course , this is what "Hard reset" means to a vanilla player and im sure this does not fully apply to a MMORPG . Just wanted to put it out there as im sure some of the things mentioned might apply :D
     
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    eeveelution Wynn Veteran/OG VIP+

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    Bad logic.
    This won't fix the economy, at least not for much time. The economy still is flawed and starting it over won't fix it. It was pretty much reset when gavel came out as the 10-ish LE that most people had was pretty much useless due to the new quests.
    Same goes for guilds. Only a temporary fix. These small guilds which can take some unclaimed land can (and probably will) become big guilds and cause the same problems as before.
    One again, same for cactus builds. People will just get the items again after they level up high enough and find the items.
    None of what you said is a permanent fix. It's not worth forcibly resetting everyone's hard work just to fix some problems for a month if not less.
    And here's the biggest problem; people will be pissed off. This would be forced onto them so they would have no choice in this. What about people who payed 10, 20, 50 Euro for bombs and such? This would be stealing their rewards from what they purchased. Many people earned a good few million xp thanks to their xp bombs, and you'd be stealing that from them.
    This is a horrible idea and the logic behind it is severely flawed. -all the support
     
  17. i eat bees

    i eat bees i eat bees HERO

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    I just want to start this comment with 3 words.
    Oh hell no, Wynncraft is good as it is, Currently it just needs updates, So many people including myself have worked extremely hard for their items/classes and believe me when I say no one would want it to go to a waste, Even if there would be a reset (And there would not) every single one of these problems would pop back up in a matter of days, The idea you're suggesting is just like "The Purge", I mean just let people kill each other for one night... What could possibly go wrong?

    [Mutton Out]​
     
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  18. wish

    wish I eat pizza upside down HERO

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    I can see little good in this, I understand your reasoning. But the cons outweigh the pros tenfold. Nobody likes their shit getting reset after playing for years. You might as well not play if you're gonna have to repeat the exact same thing. Sorry, but a hard reset won't solve things the way we want them be solved. Furthermore, how is this gonna get announced into the community?

    "Yo guys, Salted here. I have decided to do a hard reset in order to make the game better and to fix the economy. Sorry for all the wasted effort. Time for a fresh start!"

    NO! How will the community take this? Even if the economy is pretty trash rn, which it is, it's no fun to destroy player enjoyment and good memories on Wynncraft just to fix a single issue that not everyone Is keen on solving. A huge amount of players might quit because they would feel cheated, angry and most of all, uncared for.

    Also, you can't just Hard Reset to solve problems. Problems will come back. And why reset? If you are painting a masterpiece and you accidentally added a colour too dark, do you just turf the whole damn thing and start over? NO! The paint can't be removed, but you come up with a creative solution! Instead of restarting and wasting the effort before.

    Sorry about all the hate from everyone, but I think you were ready for this to happen and yet you still posted your thread. I am 9001% against this suggestion. However, I do appreciate your boldness @Nepeta Leijon. Thank you for hearing me out. :)
     
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  19. RamonaFlowers

    RamonaFlowers Subspace Delivery Girl CHAMPION

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    While having a "Hard Reset" does sound feasible, prepare to go down the server ranks as 80% of players would probably quit and never join again because their years of progress are destroyed.

    The reason for inflation is because after the Gavel update, quests now give 1le or more as reward(players tend to be 1 stack of Le richer) and items can now be ID specific. You can no longer always get op endgame armor before Gavel, but now even Blue Mask's value depends on IDs. Real world economies don't work like the "Hard Reset". If the economy was resetted you can pretty much wipe that country off the world map. High value items don't appear often, thus the high prices. In terms of Wynncraft, it's like Grian's Map, Salted's Shit, Seeker's Aid, Builder's Armor, which sell for tons of money, in which only the rich could afford them. Alas, the rich get richer; the poor get poorer. And nothing can change that.


    And for Guilds,
    Resetting doesn't create a difference. Larger guilds will still eventually triumph over the minority, due to an active guild membership and the swiftness coordination can take place. The small guilds' territories will be destroyed and taken over as quick as they were claimed.
    More players=more emeralds donated to guild and more territory victories
    More emeralds=better territory defence
    Better territory defence+big guild+active members+alliance with other guilds=Win-Win
    Remember Legio Praetoria? Right.


    Cacti builds were never a legitimate cheat. Yes, it is confirmed to be bugged, but it will sooner or later nerfed by Salted or fixed by Selvut. What the players are doing is taking advantage of the situation while it lasts. For example, take getting to level 101 as acquiring 3,000,000 dollars. One day the ATM near your house started spewing out banknotes for some reason. Being yourself, seeing a good chance to achieve the goal almost everyone else is too, will definitely snag some money before the situation is under control by the police. The Police can't track who took money, which is the same logic behind players using cacti builds. Plus cacti build armor and weapons are ID-specific anyway, and there aren't many people using cacti builds(maybe TheDarkSoul), so I don't see why cacti builds are cheaty. It's like saying 200% XP bonus is cheaty, since you get 3x more XP than a person with 0% XP bonus-making little effort with leveling up.


    Thanks for reading my opinion
    Have a nice day
     
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  20. Fox

    Fox Fox

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    I don't think a reset is going to change things for the better.

    The market: You really think it's going to change? It's still the same game, after all, and the same players. As long as the market system is as undeveloped and as abstracted as "once you trade, it is over" nothing will change permanently. As far as I know, the meaning of a market and a trade system includes more than an exchange of items, for example, contracts—like, what is this? Market of Tlatelolco?

    Wynn's logic: if you lend an item to a friend, that item is no longer yours, simply because you traded it. But that's not the truth. If your friend very well decided to not give you the item back, to scam you, that friend can—which what a bad friend—simply because, while morally wrong, it's not against the rules.

    Just an example I wanted to share—and there are some more which show the trade system is flawed. I talked with 5 mods about this a while ago and none of them cared(i got screenshots of the replies the mods gave me if you wanna see them).

    Despite of the loose trade system, it still won't change nothing. Gavel on itself raised the value of money, simply from just quests. So what you're trying to "amend" is really part of the game.

    The Guilds: As far as guilds, it won't change anything. Whether you have a squad of level 50's, or a squad of level 1's, the competition is still as reckless. However, despite the point you make being redundant, I also don't see guild battles as fun with just level 1 mobs lol. I also don't think the purpose of guilds was for it to be anything else but competitive, so it's useless to touch on guilds.

    Cheaters: Cheaters will always cheat. Whether it be duping or not, once again, still the same game. People will still belittle items like pumpkin helmet, even if only 10 exist in-game (what is happening currently to Salted's poop, for example) because of the connotation people have from these items. Resetting the game because of cheaters shouldn't be one of the main reasons. To me, it's just cheaters winning their cause.

    In general, I am sure nobody wants to delete their save file, as Wynncraft is way more than the ordinary save file. Even so, I think it's pretty common to say that most gamers do keep their original play-throughs saved just for memorabilia. I'm not the biggest fan of Wynncraft myself, at some point I thought this was great, and it may have been, but anyone sane wouldn't throw out the window two years of their life just like that—at least two years in my case, for some more time, and for some less.

    AND MORE ONE THING:

    WHO THE HELL THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO REPLACE THE DEFENSE ARMOR SYSTEM WITH A HEALTH SYSTEM. I PERSONALLY LIKED MY 10 HEARTS AND 250 DEFENSE BETTER OVER 12K HEALTH.
     
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