The Government Of Gavel

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About the location of the Gavel Government, I don't think any of the towns are hiding it. Cinfras would be the best candidate, but even then where would it be ? Something this important would either be in a huge building, and we would know it, or hidden underground (or in the sky ?) and in that case we can't possibly locate it yet.
But I would speculate that the government is either a council of the chosen representatives of each races, or that it's no longer sitting in Gavel...maybe in another province ?

 

Good to see you again.

Anyway, as you said, a council of races would make sense. And I never said the government is hiding, I'm just saying we (the player) have not seen it yet.

 

Just took a look around Rodoroc.
Looks like they have a GIANT military.
They have a whole army plus a bunch of cannons and weapons.

 

The two military bases are currently unused, and were likely defensive bases against the hordes of the undead. The problem is, we have never seen any signs of aggression between the two. Almuj doesn't seem to be affiliated at all with Wynn Excavation, other than the fact that its near site A. ANd that's probably just a coincidence that it is, because they needed to put a level 36 quest in the level 30 desert.

 

I know you didn't say that, I am. Well, at least the remaining members from the WynnExcavation program, but it seems that a lot of Wynncraft's rulers like to play hide and seek anyway, so it wouldn't be anything new (I'm looking at you, King of Trom)

 

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These military bases were added POST-Gavel as in 1-3 years after the Wynn Arc.
And i'm sure you know why the doors to Gavel were opened, right? The Corruption died down.

The bases cannot be in defense of the Corruption if they were built post-Gavel otherwise there was literally no reason to add them as they just cause time/lore confusion.

As for the "coincidence" part, I don't think it was just a coincidence as the WynnExcavation storyline had to have been planned beforehand in the order it is in.
I doubt they made the WynnExcavation quests along the way, otherwise the quests would not tie in so neatly.

 

It's a great thread and such, but..

I doubt that Guilds are a thing lore-wise, because it doesn't make any sense that thousands of over powered warriors/mages/archers/assassins are roaming the provinces.
I'd like to think that lore-wise there is only one "special" person and that person is the one who's playing.

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Might have explained that a bit bad but I hope you get my point.

 

Look at this thread; how much has been hidden from us, exactly?

The villagers seem to be intelligent, and likely have strategists. They could cover WynnExcavation (The first person to play it probably never saw Site D coming), they're possibly covering a chance of a massive incoming invasion (well, not covered anymore). Who knows what the Villagers are hiding. "The corruption has died down" is canon, it was in the Gavel trailer. It's died down, so players would have more incentive to come to Gavel. would the corruption really affect them all the way over there, over a mile from any non-gavel location? I think not. Why then, would they keep their doors closed for so long? They're making even more profit after players came to Gavel, plus they're being helped by the Wynncraft Players coming to Gavel (like the quests). Opening the gates benefits them directly, so why only do it now?

They're almost ready, aren't they?

Besides, Wynn trusts the Villagers for "saving the province", despite WynnExcavation. Wynn wouldn't suspect an attack. Fruma is defenseless, as all of it's warriors (plus archers, mages, and assassins) are being sent to Wynn. We know nothing about Dern, so we don't know if the villagers stand a chance or even WANT it.

In conclusion, the villagers want total control. They're going about it by building an army, gaining Wynn's trust for the surprise attack, bringing forces to Gavel and possibly trapping them there, causing a civil war, and attacking it when it's defenseless.

 

A+ wordage.

If the whole 'shadow government' exists, where is it? Where do the ambiguous rulers of Gavel hide from the player and plot their schemes? Was Amadel under orders from them, or a splinter organization? Whatever happened to Kirisot? When will we learn about the Red Rebellion? Why do dwarves keep massive weapons of war in caves? Why are angels eternally warring? Why are the Sky Islands crumbling from the bottom up? Why is Llevigar so technologically advanced compared to other cities? If god is all powerful, then must he be not all good? If god is all good, must he be not all powerful?

 

I would agree, but I want to look at cinfras. We already agreed in the comments that the government in Gavel is most likely centered at Cinfras, and I think you know just as well as I do how freaking massive the guild hall is. Why would they have such a giant building unless it was rather government related. And if you go inside there are villagers with guild ranks, implying that villagers also have a guild system.

No. They sent ONE warrior/archer/mage/assassin to Wynn, and that's the player.

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Actually, they said in the first quest that they send quite the lot recruits to Wynn. Although, the only "special" recruit was you.
But @Florfy5, I do doubt that Fruma sent ALL of their army, that'd be pretty ironic, right?

You said it yourself. Villagers. Perhaps normal soldiers, too.

 

I don't believe goblins or trolls have any form of centralized rule. They live in separate tribes, although sometimes orcs will claim to be chieftain in it and rule over them. These orc chieftains might or might not work in order of the orc government. They probably don't, just trying to obtain a tiny bit of power over the Llevigar plains area.

 

That could be the case

 

This is kind of like the Brutes from Halo, constantly fighting, not having a centralized government, so comparing them, Orcs could be infighting, and trying to rule the orcs, so they could control more than a small part of the area, but the would probably be killed before this could happen.

 

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I have a little bit to say about this. Your comment on a War on Darkness is the part that reminded me of a bit of lore research I did a little bit ago.

Spoiler: Spoilers relating to WynnExcavation Site D , Memory Paranoia , Sealed Letters

In the complete Sealed Letter, Robert aka Bob warns Nilrem ( Merlin backwards ) that "[t]here is a dark creature of the night in a land "far" away, it poses a threat to all."

That's more of a side thing. The main thing is how this Darkness relates to the decay, which, as you might remember, changed Mr. Caritat in the Memory Paranoia quest.
Mr. Caritat says two pieces relating to the Darkness, one while he's in a ritual, the other when he kills his wife. In the ritual, he says

• Mr. Caritat: HE WHO STARTED THE WAR SHALL RISE ONCE MORE. FROM THE REALM OF SHADOWS, DECEIPT AND PAIN.
• Mr. Caritat: FOREVER TRAPPED, FROM WHENCE HE CAME. THROUGH THE WEAK POINT BETWEEN REALMS HE. WILL. RISE. AGAIN!

You can interpret this in any way you want. But this shows that a being of Darkness from the Realm of Shadows ( probably Dern ) started the decay, which came around at the same time as the Nether Portal and the corruption. This being will rise once more. But it will rise from the weak point between realms. By realms, I'm going to take a guess that Mr. Caritat means the Realm of Light and Dern. In WynnExcavation Site D, while doing the puzzles, pieces of lore are given to you, bit by bit. One part says that the forces of Light and Dark never touched, but fought from afar, on a different plane, and corruption is born because of it. However, the corruption is only in Wynn. So will this being rise from Wynn?

In the murder scene, Mr. Caritat says something relating to the player. He says

• Mr. Caritat: FROM THE SOILS OF DOOM THE SERVANT LAID
• Mr. Caritat: BREAK THROUGH THE REALMS TO THE LAND OF TRADE.
• Mr. Caritat: CORRUPT THE WORLD WITH SEEDS OF PAIN
• Mr. Caritat: SO THAT HE...
• Mr. Caritat: ...MAY RISE AGAIN!

Soils of doom probably means Wynn, and the servant probably refers to the player. Land of Trade means Gavel, where the player came. This part is more mysterious. Corrupt the world with seeds of pain can refer to the literal seeds of decay in the Realm of Light. However, in WynnExcavation Site D, Amadel says "We need a human of pure intentions to bring the crystals together." Is this the same? Someone with pure intentions doing something that will cause chaos? The final part states that the corruption will cause the revival of this being of darkness.

Is this what the next major update is going to be? A realm of darkness, Dern, with a creature as a possible new final boss, a creature that began the decay and corruption and caused all of the chaos.

Yes, this may not be related in any way to Gavel Governments. I'm just sharing what I found, and I'm hoping someone will be able to find a connection, because I can't find one.

 

Hmm.

Honestly this is a matter for another thread, but let's talk about it since you brought it up (yes, I do plan on talking about it in an upcommingthread as well)

Qira also mentioned a war relating to darkness. And from what we know about the war of the realms so far, it does seem as if it may be connected as you say.

I find the stuff from memory paranoia the most interesting. I was watching Grians play through of it last night, but I did not finish it, so I don't know exactly what happened. But I will look more into it soon.

 

Thanks for all the timely answers to my questions. So here's some more.

An interesting point is Gavel's Decay vs. Wynn's Corruption. Do they stem from one source, Dernel or otherwise, or do two separate evils just happen to be attacking adjacent provinces? If (for the sake of theorizing), the hero were to fail, and Decay and Corruption to wynn :), then what would occur when they meet. Would there be a darkness war, or a mingling of evils to form the Hyper-Mega-Derupption/Corray? I suppose the answer to the sources of the evils answers that question, but… Also, is it known the times (relative to one another) when the two evils were first introduced to the world of Gavel/Wynn (It seriously needs a name)?

 

Firstly, it's Dernic, although Dernian is also accepted. Dernel is not correct in this case.

Anyway.

Concurring that they stem from the same source, I don't think they would interact in any meaningful way

 

To throw in information, the corruption in Wynn is from the forces of light and darkness clashing in Wynn (Gavel/Dern), as that's what Wynncraft lore states happens when light and dark meet: corruption.

The decay is caused by Succoru Parasites originating from the realm of light due to the villagers' greed, or so it's said. The villagers' greed caused "impurity", which leaked into the realm of light, and, since the realm is linked directly to Gavel, particularly the Dark and Kander Forests, thus the reason the decay is there.

I'm tired, so you can work with that for now.