The Government Of Gavel

Welcome to the thread where I bet you I am going to accidently write "The Gavel Of Government" by mistake.

Spoiler: READ THIS NOW!

So this is in a spoiler just cuz I dont want it clogging up the tread. I am typing on my cousin's german computer, and some keys are switched. Specifically the Y and the Z. So if you see me type things like "zou" or "amaying" please try to understand. I catch myself most of the time but it might slip out every so often.

Ok so I have put this thread off for FAR too long. Time to actually write it. Talking about the Government Of Gavel is hard because we are talking about something that we know exists, but nothing more than that. So I think we should start by defining what exactly do we mean by the government of gavel?

Actually, lets start with what is "Gavel" in this sense.

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Ok so Gavel is obviously the province north of Wynn, but when we talk about it in a political view, what do we include? All races? All intelegent races? Just villagers? For now I am going to say all races, as they all are part of Gavel (the landmass).

That in mind, we cant just make a government type out of nothing. We need to compare it to something. For this, lets use Wynn (duh).

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Ok, so Wynn. The government of Wynn is not one big giant government for the whole province. Each city has its own government, with Ragni and Troms being the oldest and most powerful. We know Nemract and Almuj have their own governments as well due to The Mercinary quest where they clearly state that the cities each have their own military.

Under this, there is another layer of government. Guilds. Guilds do not seem to be directly mentioned in the lore, but they are important (I will get to that later in the Gavel section). The guilds seem to just exist to maintain order, and each guild can claim land. Even though it seems like the guilds exist to stop chaos from happening in unclaimed land, guilds often fight over land.

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So, how does Gavel compare? I want to start with guilds, as it seems really odd. Guilds can not claim land in Gavel, yet Cinfras's guild hall is the only place you can make guilds, not to mention the fact THAT ITS A FREAKING GIANT GUILD HALL. I would say Gavel does have guilds (we can see people in the guild hall that support this) but they are either more government run than the Wynn ones, or are villager-only.

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Ok, next Dwarves. Dwarves are interesting because (The way I see it) they have 2 different sub-governments. Thanos and Dogovi seem to be under one king (the guy you talk to in thanos) and Rodroc seems to have its own government.

Spoiler: OMG

OMG you know that Dwarven war? I think I am right. It was a civil war. Rodroc split from the government that Dogovi and Thanos are part of, which is why they have so many war machines. The doguns were just part of the casualties. I should make a thread on that...

Anyway, I got off of track. Bottom line is, the Dwarves have their own government. But that still is part of Gavel. So are the dwarven kinds under the leadership or the large Gavel government or seperate?

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Onto the elves. Wwe all know the elves feel that they are better than the other beings in Gavel. They have their own sun-illuminati-government and I dont think they are really part of the Gavel government.

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And then we have less intelegent races. Greenskins and things like that. The trolls have a king (who you murder), the orcs have a king (who you fight), and the gerts have a king (who you talk to). We dont know about the goblins and ogres, but for now I am going to assume they have their own government.

But the interesting thing here is that we know the greenskins, at least the orcs, fallow under the higher macro-gavelian government. We know this because they managed to make a peace treaty with the people of llevingar, and that means there must be some kind of higher government enforcing the treaty.

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But all of this really only proves one point. There are a bunch of small governments in Gavel. But thats only because we have not looked at the Villagers yet. Now remember how we said Wynn has a bunch of cities with their own governments? The whole point point of this thread was to see if the Gavel government is like that or not. And so far we have not said its any different.

And really, when it comes to the cities, we dont have any real evidence. Or do we? Let me introduce you to... The military!

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I want to point out 3 things: The Swamp, Guards, and Generals Orders.

Firstly, the swamp. In the swamp we have various army camps. But what are all the soldiers called? Not Oluxian soldeirs, but Gavelian Soldiers (I know, thats probobly spelled wrong). As if the military they are part of does not serve just one town, but the whole province.

In places like Ragni you have Ragni Archers and in like in Troms you have Troms Guards. But not in Gavel. Around Eltom you don't have Eltom Archers, you have Canyon Archers. In front of the molten heights you dont have Dogovi Golems or whatever, you have Steel Golems. They make a specific point of how the guards are not for any one city (with only a few exceptions). And around the Johash Docks the knights are just called Gavelian. Not Johashian.

Lastly, I want us to look at the quest Generals Orders. In that quest you go to one of the, if not THE, largest military establishments in Gavel. And it does not belong to any one town. Its all just the Gavelian Military! Putting aside the fact of why they need such a large army, the fact that they even have it is something!

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And lastly, I have been saving the 2 most important pieces for the end.

Firstly, Qira was asked to stay in her hive by the government of gavel, not by any one city.

And most importantly, the thing yall have probobly have been thinking from the begining. Wynn Excavation (and Gavel Excavation). WE (and GE) is run by the high and mighty of Gavel. Not the high and mighty of any one town.

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Now I know this has just been a lot of my stammering about things, but I do want to make my point clear. The Gavel Government is more unified than the Wynnian, More military based, and most of all, bigger/stronger.

It is strong enough to cover the whole province AND be the birth of Wynn Excavation.

But this does not awnser all questions. In fact, it opens new ones.

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If the whole government is central, where is the seat of there power? Cinfras? Llevingar? Ahmsord?

If they have such a large military, why? What are they scared of?

And lastly, why the heck did they make Wynn Excavation? What do they seek with those crystals?

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It seems to me almost as if the government of Gavel is preparing for a war. The war Qira was talking about? Are they going to attack other provinces? Or are they preparing for if Darkness attacks them? Were they going to use the crystals in the war?

Anyway, Thats that.

I may have gotten a bit lost in what I was saying, I lost my train of thought multiple times. Which is why this took so long. I had to totally delete it and start from scratch multiple times.

So, what do yall think? Central government or city governments? Villagers or more races? War?

Feel free to comment! And please, fill out the poll.



Al Simula

SPYROHAWK

 

Still dont think that is true, she stayed on her own accord.

 

Cool.

 

In spoiler 1

Intelligent
Contractions in general

Casualties

No "n"

High

Ahmsord

Like the thread just proof read it :3

 

Aint nobody got time for that

 

Ain't*
And obviously someone does

 

In my opinion, the three main "intelligent" races of Gavel seem to be separate.
Lets first look at the elves:
They seem to live in a socialist society, untouched by greed. They have locked themselves into the valley of Aldorei, and don't let you enter the valley, let alone the city, until you prove yourself to them. I don't think they would let the greedy villagers anywhere near there domain. Therefore I am going to include that the elves are a completely separate political entity which doesn't pay taxes, provide military support, etc.

In Thanos and Rodoroc both, we see massive amounts of wealth, as well as guards and military force. If I was a Higher-Up in Gavel's Government I would see Thanos Vaults as a prime target for taxation. Yet, looking at how much loot is still in the vault, it appears it isn't being taxed, and the Dwarves definitely wouldnt want to give up their treasures to the villagers. That could explain the sheer amount of guards, ever ready to repel any ambitious villagers, and why the villagers have such a large army in the first place. It could also explain why the villagers haven't sent any help after Ozoth's attack.
We can also look to Dogovi, where the guard doesn't let you in until you have proven yourself to the DWARVES. Nevermind all of the great things you have done for the Humans and Villagers, they care about what you have accomplished for the dwarven race. I am going to conclude that the dwarves are also free of the villager's control.

Other races in Gavel (Gnomes, Halflings, Orcs) seem to live in small settlements that are likely under the control of the villagers.

 

Sorry, like I said, I am unfamiliar with the German keyboard. And I was under a bit of a time limit to get this out. Right now I only have access to my IPad, which is even worse in terms of typing, but I will fix those in the morning when I can get my hands on a computer again. But thank you for pointing those out.

 

Im rly feeling that Qira was a not evil and somehow she turned bad....an maybe the good Qira MAYBE had connection to Bob somehow,idk if Bob visited Gavel ...idrk

 

Qira isn't really evil though.

 

Yeah, that's why I specifically talked about the dwarves and the elves. Part of this thread was deciding that if it is a large central government instead of city, do we include only villagers in that or the dwarves and elves.

I think your right, villagers might need to be separated from those other races for this.

 

Nowhere qira is portrayed as a bad character

 

I never said Qira was evil. Nor did I talk about Bob? That's for a different thread, I don't see how it's relevant here...

 

I dont think the government Will let 1M of players doing everything on their lands and There is not the police so yeah why caring about the governement if we can do whatever we want like kill 100 detlas villagers xD

 

Huh? Are you talking about guilds or what? That was a bit hard to understand.

 

I mean wynncraft is a world with their own person etc, but do You think us (the players) we Will care about their government?

 

There are two ways to view your question, so I will awnser both.

In-game: as the character, yes, you should. Considering you worked with kings, helped multiple militaries, traveled provinces, and took down governmental orginizations, you probably wana know who's territory you are in and who's rules to fallow.

Out-of-game: as you a person, you may or may not care about the Gavel Governemnt. But I care. It kept bugging me that we don't know anything about the government yet, so I pieced together what I could. I did what I always do, I made a theory on it. Because, chances are, I am not the only one who has thought about the gavel government. Theories are how I express my thoughts about Wynn. You don't need to care about the government. You don't need to care about this theory. You can read it or not, that's up to you. But yes, I do believe some people care about the government.

Now I don't know which one you meant by that, but I hope that awnsers it.

 

I Just helped them for the XP bro THE XP

 

Well lore-wise it makes sense why you would care. In your case, I guess you would care who you are getting the XP from?

 

I Just want win the xp and i rush the dialogues because i already done all xD