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Why Heal Needs Nerf

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by FlamingPinecone, Mar 2, 2016.

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Is heal op?

  1. Yes it is OP and needs nerf.

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  2. No u scrub mage is master race and must remain OP

    28 vote(s)
    17.8%
  3. Heal isnt OP you dingus.

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  1. FlamingPinecone

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    Ok. People have argued against me but this is what i think.
    Heal is too op.
    Before Gavel, heal healed a few hearts. But now, it can heal back to full from halfway down, or even 25%. I know if they were to reduce the effectivity of heal, it would hurt us all, but, should we really be able to get back to full health by only expending a couple mana, which can regenerate back in a couple seconds with mana regen/steal gear. I know that mages get a weak basic attack. But in a duel against a mage, we will skirmish for a few seconds, he will get me down some, and I, a warrior will get him down more, but he can just heal all the way back to full and all of my progress is gone. This especially hurts for builds that are focused on taking hits instead of dealing damage, because it take a while to even get them to halfway, but only a second for them to get it back. Anything that cant do alot of damage in a small amount of time is doomed by the mage.

    Here is a chunk of premises supporting the don't nerf side by @FishWaffle :
    Heal doesn't really need a nerf. Lets look at the facts: While Heal does give you a lot, the less hp you have, the less it gives, meaning it cannot be used as a last-ditch lifesaver. Mages are mana hungry and since they rely on spells, a couple Heals can leave you unable to deal damage and stuck in a bad situation. Not to forget, mages cannot spam Heal as mana infaltion can be a big threat to them. Since mage is support, Heal gives other players WAY more health then it does yourself, so by nerfing Heal, you end up nerfing everyone. Even in duels, you can heal the person your dueling with, so if a mage is giving you trouble hit them hard and stick to them, forcing them to not be able to use heal without also healing you. Before Gavel, mage was the statistically worse class, and I think that it deserves it's place in the spotlight. In the end, Heal is meant mainly to help other players and rewards you for not taking damage, instead of being some sort of magical lifesaver. To be honest, the ony reason to nerf it would be the PvP, but since Wynn isn't meant to be PvP and the Nether is overly unbalanced, the reason just isn't enough.

    What do you guys think? Is my logic flawed? Is mage not OP? Or do you have more evidence supporting my thoughts? Tell me what you think below in the comments.
     
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  2. Allen_R111

    Allen_R111 Quality Shitposter

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    I think that the heal should be the same amount, but be split into 5 seconds. With 1/5 coming in every 1 second or something like that.
     
  3. FishWaffle

    FishWaffle It's ya boi VIP

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    That is sort of how heal already works
     
  4. FlamingPinecone

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    Not really, there is an intial, great heal, and then two very small heals afterwards
    If it was actually HoT, then they would be much easier to kill with a lower damahe build/boss
     
  5. FishWaffle

    FishWaffle It's ya boi VIP

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    Isn't dying supposed to be a bad thing? I mean, after all, if your mages were to dye in a boss fight, your practically screwed. and a 5/s heal would just get too frustrating, and would practically be the same as just potion.

    Oh, and you forgot one HUGE factor: the lower the hp, the less the heal. So about that damaging them to low for them to shoot back up? It doesn't happen. Oh, and mages can heal you in duels. That too.
     
  6. The One-eyed Guy

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    The fact that there are almost as much votes as "heal needs nerf" in "Heal does not need nerf" worries me.
     
  7. FlamingPinecone

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    How? Does the Needs Nerf side worry you or the Doesnt Need Nerf side worry you?
     
  8. The One-eyed Guy

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    Doesn't need nerf.
     
  9. FlamingPinecone

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    True, but ive seen people still go from 30-40% to 100. Also if one heal doesnt do it, you can just use another
     
  10. FishWaffle

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    Here's the thing: Mage is mana hungry. Two heals could easily mean all you can do is your basic attack.
    Next time weigh the options fully before you complain.
     
  11. FlamingPinecone

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    Its not really mana hungry, if you need time to get two heals off, just throw an ice snake.
     
  12. DirtyDoge

    DirtyDoge Master Procastinator HERO

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    This^
    I heal once, I go down a lot of mana, I meteor, so I can at least damage whatever is trying to kill me, heal again,
    BOOM!
    Out of mana, completely defenseless until it regens.
    Oh, and if I use heal before it regens a decent amount, it ultimately is worse.
    This is a 99 intel mage talking.
     
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  13. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    Yes heal is strong, but its still easy to kill off mages.
    Maybe it isn't the mage that needs a nerf, maybe you need to get good.
     
  14. FishWaffle

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    IF you can even throw an Ice Snake. Mind you, in PvP, a single heal costs you 5 Mana. Throw 2 off to get yourself back on your feet, and you can cast ONE spell before you become a sitting duck.
     
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  15. Geno

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    Didn't Salted say he was going to nerf it a while ago due to it simply being overly strong? Also, when thinking about heal put it into both PvE and PvP perspectives.
    For PvE, I know plenty of mages who haven't bought a single potion since the release of Gavel.
    For PvP, if you can't deal a one shot or get in two quick skills in, the mage will most likely be able to heal (if they're decent enough) nearly nullifying your ability.

    In short, I do agree it needs a nerf in someway and would like to see how they would handle it if they do decide to do it.
     
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  16. TrashcanMan

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    It's ridiculously overpowered in PvE, not sure about PvP though.
     
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    Salted said at a point that heal will be nerfed, but because it's very hard to find a proper solution, it'll take a while.
     
  18. Yuno F Gasai

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    Mages didn't buy potions before gavel either.
     
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    True, but back then potions dropped from mobs, and there really was no need to buy potions
     
  20. Geno

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    Neither did any other class really due to how imbalanced the game was/is. But now every other class besides mage has to purchase pots (except for special cases). Quite dumb.
     
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