SPOILER Debunked: How Damage Is Calculated(?!)

So like, I tried to recreate how the damage is calculated. As of now I think I have a pretty good start but I'm not sure (mainly because I'm not that good in maths etc. cause I'm a philologist). I oriented on damage calculation sheets we had for our tabletop games but it's hard to take the elemental damage into account.

I started with testing the damage ingame on poor Dwarven Traders and putting up a little sheet just for funs:
Tested with "no elemental damage weapon"+no armour, "no elemental damage weapon"+armour and "elemental damage weapon"+armour.
I know there are many other factors to consider but I just wanted to have a start.

Now, we always calculate tabletop damage (with we I mean a group of friends and I, it's not an official calculation) like:

Code:

boost x (base damage + (other elemental damage1 + other elemental damage2 + ...))

(simplified)
I thought about what that would be in Wynncraft and decided that
boost could be calculated/corresponding with the damage each spell does (e.g. the Dead Star Spell from a Dark Wizard)
base damage is the average neutral damage a weapon does
the other damage is each calculated with elemental damage

So now I want to explain how I get to calculate the boost and the individual elemental damages. I try to explain it with words, rather than complicated terms cause as I said above, I'm not that good at setting up terms but I have the feeling that other, more skilled people may do that with my thoughts. :)
As an example I try to recreate the Dead Star Spell Damage I get with all gear and a Antipode wand on a elemental mob (the Magma Entity). My specs are above in the sheet.

1. BASE DAMAGE
This damage is just the average damage from a weapon. It's calculated like

Code:

(minimal damage + maximal damage)/2

For example: Antipode has a neutral total damage from 100-180, so the Base Damage Number i use is 140.

2. ELEMENTAL DAMAGE
Now here is when it's getting confusing for me, but I think I'm on the right path. I use the average elemental damage plus the damage from the percentage I have in that corresponding skill point.

Code:

((minimal element damage + maximal element damage)/2)+(((minimal element damage + maximal element damage)/2)*(skill element percentage/100)

For example:
Antipode does 35-60 water damage, so the average damage is 47.5. I got 51.6% in my water skill points and 51.6% of 47.5 are around 24.6. Combine that with the 47.5 and you got around 72.1 for our first other elemental damage.
For the Antipode fire damage it would look like: 35-60 -> average 47.5. I got 26.1% in skill points -> around 12.4+47,5 -> 59.8 for the second other elemental damage.

Our calculation now looks something like:

Code:

boost x (140 + (72 + 59))

Note: when calculation at the said tabletop games we always round numbers down!

3. BOOST
Now for the boost which includes the damage each spell does and also the boost we get from armour. It looks something like:

Code:

(((elemental spell damage1 + elemental spell damage2)*(spell damage boost/100) + (elemental spell damage1 + elemental spell damage2))/100 + 1

The elemental spell damage is calculated as above: average spell damage + the percentage of skill points for one element (in my example two skill points are important: water & fire) combined.
My Antipode does 135-270 raw damage with a Dead Star Spell(Meteor Spell)which is an average of 202. I got 51.6% in water (104) and adding that to the 202 I got the first elemental spell damage of 306. The second one, fire, is 254.
Now for the additional spell damage I get with my armour, which is 47%:

Code:

((554*(47/100))+554)/100 + 1

The boost is then 9.14.

Now I got everything I need to calculate the damage my Antipode does:

Code:

9.14*(140+72+59)

= around 2476.

There was my problem: I do around 4800 damage on elemental mobs like Magma Entity. But as you notice, that is around double the damage. So I assume that doing this kind of damage on a mob which is oppositional weak to my elements, you just multiply the number above with 2.
I also didn't count in damage over time from poison or extra damage from like armour pieces and I'm sure there more small factors to it.

Now.. it's a lot of text but maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.. but at least I hope I got the right direction and maybe someone will pick it up from there. :)
Also, please thank them poor test subjects:

 

I must say Good job

 

Thank you. :3

 

I'm on mobile atm but it looks well thought out, when I'll get back home I'll take a better look.

 

I like how neat and organized the pastebin spreadsheet looks! Can you put all variables into one big term? Or is that too much math?

 

Wouldn't that just be adding all the resultant damage amounts together, and thus just putting a + between each of the equations?

 

sure, but the format above is quite unmathematical. rn grvphene is helping me putting it together neatly. i'll post that then. :)

 

bumping it cause i dont want to get this thread lost in the darkness of the forums. :3

 

*wipe bleeding nose* Mhmm well done.

 

MY CALCULATION ROUGHLY WORKS..
I'm so excited...
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I just resetted my skill points and tried to calculate how much damage my two weapons do to the magma entities and I GOT THE CALCULATION RIGHT.
LOOK!

New water skill: 62,5%
New fire skill: 34,6%
Additional multipliers from armor etc: /Spell Damage + 119/ /Spell Damage +48%/ /Poison Damage 137/3s/

Antipode

Spoiler

Total base damage: 100-180
Water damage: 35-60
Fire Damage: 35-60
Dead Star spell: 135-270

Boost:
(202+126) + (202+69) = 599
(599 x .48 + 599)/100+1 = 9.9

FULL DAMAGE DONE WITH ANTIPODE/DEAD STAR ON MAGMA ENTITY
9.9 x (140 + 77 + 63) = 2772 / now we multiply it times 2 cause of the mirroring elements from the entity
5544

And thats indeed true. I do around 5.6k-5.9k damage to the Magma Entity. To test it I used Bob's Mythic Wand, calculated the damage and got the number I do damage with that wand (Explanation in the spoiler below).
I'm quite happy that I can calculate the damage for my needs. :)

Spoiler: Calculation with Bob's Mythic Wand

Bob's Mythic Wand

Spoiler

Total base damage: 155-225
Death Star spell: 697-1012

Boost:
854
(854 x .48 + 854)/100+1 = 13.6

FULL DAMAGE DONE WITH BOB'S MYTHIC WAND/DEAD STAR ON MAGMA ENTITY
13.6 x (190) =
2584

Spoiler: Testing Damage

http://imgur.com/a/6jqcW (first slot - bob's, second slot - antipode)
Magma Entity + Antipode

Code:

 poison / dead star / aftermath
3x45 / (574 0 4215 0) / (231 0 502)    >>> 5657
3x45 (58 587 4519 0 ) (213 0 485 )   >>>  5997

Magma Entity + Bob's Mythic Wand

Code:

 poison / dead star / aftermath
3x45 (2053 0 0) (417)   >>> 2605
3x45  (2496 0 0) 490)   >>> 3121

 

its a nice try, but i believe the math is wrong. Don't forget about the spell multiplier from attack speed, along with the basic elemental % gained from spells. For example meteor has 30% fire and 30% earth. Also elemental % boosts.

 

Good Job :D

 

As you can see, my calculations are always a bit lower than my actual damage. To say the math is "wrong" is incorrect cause I know, as I said, that a few things are missing in the calculation. But for the general idea I think it works. ;D

 

the fact that you know it's incorrect doesn't change it being incorrect...

 

What?
I don't think you get what I'm saying.. xD

 

You are missing core calculations. This is wrong. We know attack speed adds a huge spell multiplier

 

..*sigh*
please read the thread and my intentions then, thanks:

 

I believe the spell multiplier is 1.7 for normal, 2.3 for fast, etc etc? Right?

 

No idea, .5 per seems reasonable

 

No I mean there was a thread salted replied to in which he argued with some guy about how attack speed is bad. At the time Salted spewed some numbers about attack speed that I didn't understand, but I think he was speaking about the multiplier for spells