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SPOILER A Few Things We May Have Skimmed Over About Bob

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  1. SPYROHAWK

    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    So I was reading a thread by @jpmrocks about Bob. https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/some-interesting-bob-lore.106967/

    Being a theorist and all, I have managed to collect a rather large amount of info on the subject. However I re-read all the lores recently and found some interesting facts. Some of these do not fit in with jpm's thread, so I decided to make my own.

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    Gather round all, and let me tell you the truth behind a character subject to a multitude of scepticism and stories, none of which are the full, in depth tale of the remarkable life of Bob, master of the magical arts.

    10 years after the miners of Nemract wrought the nether curse upon the Wynn province, Ragni suffered one of the largest raids ever recorded on western soil, although the famous forts of Ragni and Troms were deemed impenetrable, this was unfortunately not the case when seas of monsters brought by the curse came knocking on the front gate. Being so early in the cursed war, Ragni’s army numbers were high and many a men laid down their lives to protect the families within the walls. However, the sheer numbers pressed against the door broke the hinges and the large gate fell into the bridge, and the largest horde recorded entered the city. Many of the residents were slaughtered, maimed or infected by the onslaught of creatures, those able to run hid in the sewers, a vast series of tunnels that run out of the city, and into the foulest place the humans could create, their prison. The idea was to combine two of the most horrible things, the untreated sewage, and the dark cells containing Wynns worst criminals, to add to their suffering. It really was a horrid place, but in a time like this, it was the safest place to be, and the women and children sought refuge in its stench. During the fight, a woman who never said her name, nor where she had come from (she certainly wasn’t one of Ragni’s own) gave birth to a baby boy on the cold floors of the sewer. Though the women accompanying her did all they could, the unknown woman did not survive the childbirth. The horde lasted 6 days and the sewer folk did not know if the baby would make it, the conditions were so rotten.

    Against all the odds, the child made it, suffering no more but a smudge of dirt across his cheek, to everyone’s amazement, he was adopted by Ragni’s poorest resident, a single mother named Momo. He worked in a local bakery carrying bread and cake into the palace, taking whatever he could get away with. Despite his mother being poor, she was none the less intelligent, and taught the child, who she named Robert, everything she knew, taught him to read, write and to a degree, to fight. Robert was never a popular lad, always treated differently, his skin was a shade of grey unnatural to those of Ragni, who have always been fair skinned, as such he didn’t have many friends and wasn’t held particularly well among the older citizens either. When he was 12 years old, a horde found its way into the city once more, like it did just over a decade before, although far smaller than its predecessor, it was none the less a threat as Ragni’s army was so wounded from the last encounter, the beacons were not lit from the scouts, and caught the entire city by surprise, not Robert though, he always keeps a knife he stole from the butchers in his belt to protect the ones he loves. Being so poor, Momos shack was on the outskirts of Ragni and was one of the first to get hit, Robert ran for the house, finding it empty, but hearing a gasping from below. Entering the cellar, he found his mother lying bleeding beside a recently stabbed creature. He went to her aid, knowing it would be in vain. She simply nodded at him, they had made an agreement when Robert was 8 years old that if she ever became infected she wanted him to end her life, rather than endure the gruesome prolonged infection that had no cure. She placed in his hands a piece of parchment with a crude blood stained drawing of 4 areas each with a strange name under it he hadn’t heard of, she then pointed toward a chest in the corner that had always been locked before she grabbed his hand holding the butchers knife, to which she forced him to uphold his end of the agreement.

    In the fires of the fight, Robert fled from the city, wielding not his butcher’s knife, but a pair of pitch black knives encrusted with symbols that glowed a purple colour, a cloak and a pouch holding what little food was left in the house. He headed east, to the sandy area indicated by his mother’s drawing, the one with the knife symbol, and the number “1”, when Robert reached it, he found one man, who did nothing but held out his hand, and Robert placed the only thing of value to him, the dark daggers in his hand. The man began to tell Robert of what he must now do to aid in the war; he must travel to the 4 masters of Wynn province, to learn their magic and skill if he is to lend his hand in the cursed war. Only once he had mastered one skill would he be given the key that the next master would accept. After 5 years of training to become an assassin, Robert was now 17 years old and incredibly powerful, the master, Chak, who had taught him told him his time was now up with him and he would have to progress to learn archer. Chak took Roberts daggers, to which the handles began to glow bright and moulded together to form a large sheen bow, to which he strung a thick strand of his own hair and handed it back to him, and said “even the most experienced soldier must start from scratch when learning a new mastery”, and it was true, Robert was not equipped to deal with any creature that faced him, he’d never even fired a bow!

    first part
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    Robert began his journey further south; past the blizzards into a pocket of land he’d never seen on any map the bow symbol with the number “2” accompanying it. It was home to only one building, a large mansion, to which a man stood with his hands outstretched as Robert approached. Just like 5 years previous, Robert handed him the bow, to which he said “I am Mael, master of archery, let us begin, just as you progress, as does the war.” To which Robert spent a further 5 years mastering the art of crafting and firing arrows, in any situation and learning the magic surrounding the bow. In this time, Robert also learnt about the areas he trained in, Mael was incredibly spiritual; the mansion in which he lived in was also house to many spirits which found Mael to heal them. Robert learnt about the other side and how many of the fallen soldiers return cursed to fight on the other side, to which Robert secretly hoped he was able to communicate with his deceased mother. However, Robert never expressed these desires, and Mael told him the time had come to learn some magic that involved no physical weapon that you could hit people with. Robert handed over his bow, to which a familiar glow transformed it into a pure black rod, with the same purple markings around them. Robert looked at the old, frayed map, to see the next area with a single line in it, and the number “3”, except this time, he knew what area that was. It was the forest he passed through when he was 12 years old to get to the desert to begin his training, he barely made it. For the first time since he began his training, Robert was filled with fear. The forest was full of spiders and poison, and the thought of poison always reminded him of the time he … Well never mind that, Robert set off to the forest wielding a stick that was about as much use as a hollowed out pumpkin. He couldn’t for the life of him make it work, regardless, when he reached the forest, he entered a mystical village suspended in the trees lit by hanging lamps, to which the familiar sight of a man with his hand outstretched grasped the wand Robert laid in his hand. “You are half way through your journey, do not let frustration warp you, let us begin the hardest of all arts.” Were the first words, Ethe, the magical master had ever said to him, and it was certainly true, wand lore had not come so easily to him as knavery or archery had, however the arts of magic eventually flowed through him over the coming 5 years, to which point Robert was now 27 years old, and beginning to wonder if he would ever remain young enough to fight in the war. Ethe told Robert it was time to move on, and transformed his wand into its final form, a giant black spear, even his mature eyes gleamed at the sight of it, the spear was the weapon of Troms, the greatest fort man had ever created.

    The map indicated it; he must travel to Troms, where the last spear symbol and the number “4” were written. Upon arrival, Robert was surprised; the city had been hit – hard. He’d never heard of Troms so much as receiving a scratch from the creatures, it was so well guarded, but then again, Robert had been absent from civilization for 15 years. In the fires, a man stood with his hand out stretched, completely ignoring the pleads of the people around him begging for help, to which Robert placed his spear, and he said “This is the final leg of your journey, let the plights of this town that you see here today force you onward with your training, and help protect this land when you are done. My name is Fier, Let us end your training.” Robert spent the next 5 years learning the skills surrounding the spear in the great city of Troms, rebuilding and defending it when necessary in his spare time. It was the first time he was with people, and by people, I mean people that aren’t strict masters of their art that seem to solely exist to teach Robert the ways of the soldier. Robert learnt to love the people he was around, and people called him Bob, rather than Robert, a girl told him “I don’t know, I think you just sound better when you’re called Bob.” Robert liked it, and when he met new people, he introduced himself as thus. Fier’s training after 5 long years had finally come to an end, to which he said this “You are now the strongest soldier this province has ever seen, use your power wisely, and you shall end this war.” Then, to his surprise, all the masters materialised in a line beside Fier, and smiled, Mael even nodding slowly at him, to which a voice behind him said “Why are you crying Bob? There’s no one there…” The 4 masters vanished and Bob knew what he must now do, return to Ragni to save what little is left of it.

    Bob then spent the remainder of his life serving as Wynns private demigod, destroying all creatures that ever came near a settlement under his protection, never passing on his skills, in fear they would not be used for the greater good, which troubled him, for if he were to pass, who would replace him? Certainly not his 3 companions, the animals which he loved dearly, perhaps he would brew them a potion, prolonging their life; they were good animals after all. Bobs story quickly became a huge beacon of hope for many fighting the war; no one could defeat Bob and his dark weapons. However people, this is where the story becomes myth I’m afraid, for after the events of Ragni’s 56th horde, some 40 years down the line at the ripe old age of 72, Bob vanished. It was rumoured he heard of a beast corrupting the province, promoting the war and increasing the strength of the monsters, I imagine Bob probably sought to destroy it, but in his old age, perhaps he wasn’t up to the mark. It was then, though, just one year after his disappearance, Bobs tomb appeared in the snow, marking the place where he was buried. By whom? No one knows. Perhaps it was the killer? Or maybe it was his master’s magic? It still lies there today, holding his body, it is worth a visit, many have told of great adventures and magic surrounding the place. One thing is for sure, Bob truly was the master of the Wynn arts, and will forever go down in our history as the mightiest solider, perhaps one day; you can follow in his footsteps.

    second part

    Dear Nilrem,

    The letter I enclose to you has been sealed with concealment magicks. I trust you to know how to read it.

    My war against the creature is futile. Intel has reached me from a trusted source. Our world is far smaller than we could have imagined, our magick feeble in comparison to what i am about to explain.

    There are realms beyond our comprehension, powers we can not hope to defeat. Two immense forces are at war, with our plain of existence being the battleground. There is a dark creature of the night in a land "far" away, it poses a threat to all.

    I give you this letter as a warning and a farewell, friend. I am going to challenge the beast and attempt to seal it away using my own life force, for I know that is all i can do, killing it is not a option.

    You know of the magic i have infused in my animal companions, I trust you to hide them until one worthy is able to wield my might. The world can not know of my sacrifice, no one must search for me. You must fake my death, and create a body for them to bury.

    The fight will continue, but at least the new recruits will have a fighting chance for the years to come. I wish you luck, Nilrem, continue to train the forces of good, you are the most skilled man than I have ever known.

    Yours faithfully, Robert.

    P.s. I have enclosed the item of power you were seeking.

    ...

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    So. What can we deduce?

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    Well to start off, Mael was a twain but was also Bob's bow master. The twains were all very old when the corruption started, and bob was just a baby. So we know the approximate range of Bob's lifespan.

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    Nilrem. I have covered Nilrem before, but upon re-reading the sealed letters I found something very interesting. I already covered how Nilrem was who the note was written to, and how Bob gave him an item of power. What I missed over is exactly HOW close Bob and Nilrem were. Nilrem is the one who took cluckles, mooington, and baab and put them on their designated islands.

    Now THIS is where it gets interesting. Nilrem hid the animals.

    But look at what Nohno says in Cluck Cluck:

    His name is Cluckles, he was given to me by a man named Bob before he went to war, but when Bob never came back, Cluckles got angry...

    So. What part of this makes sense? Cluckles was given to Nohno before Bob went to war. Nilrem was instructed to hide the animals before Bob left to fight his final fight.

    Bob never came back, so Cluckles got angry. Bob died.

    But it says in the letter that Nilrem hid the animals, but Nohno says Bob gave Cluckles to him. I argue that either Nilrem pretended to be Bob, or that I have another Wynncraft's Logic Is Flawed thread coming out soon. Lets assume it's the first one.

    That makes us question everything we know about Bob. Was Bob really the one to kill the beast on Dead Island? Any time something is talked about Bob in a "common sense" type of fashion, we could assume it's Nilrem.

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    Ok, so now that we got that bombshell out of the way, lets talk about Bob's death and tomb.

    In the letters Bob tells Nilrem that he will not survive the fight. In his lore it says the tomb appeared in the snow. I am going to assume it was built by Nilrem.

    Onto his death. Bob was killed at the age of 72 by a pack of wolves. Or that it what the public is lead to think by what we are told in the Bob's Lost Soul quest.

    But what really happened? To start us off, common belief. Common belief is that Bob died to the Corrupter of Worlds (CoW). Now it seems pretty legit. Bob died at old age trying to kill a mysterious beast terrorizing the jungle. However, if we look back at all of our sources, it never says that. We all know it to be true, but where did that story start? No one knows.

    What really happened is given to us by 5 clues. Common sense, The ??? Quest, Grian, Salted, and the Mysterious Letters.

    Lets go in order. So common sense. We can go to Gavel and we come from Fruma. That means we can go to other provinces. DUH.

    ??? Quest. Now I can not talk about this one, due to rules, but lets just say it reinforces what we have already said in point number one.

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    Grian, Salted, and the Mysterious letters. Now people say that the Developers always have a purpose to what they say. Even the smallest spoiler has a reason.

    Salted has said that there will be more storyline and lore coming out about Bob with the Fallow Up update. That itself gives us two options. Either we will learn more in Wynn, or the more likely situation, we will learn more in Gavel. If we learn more in Gavel, that means Bob must have been to Gavel. Ignoring the fact that the door was closed, this means that Bob has been to other provinces.

    Now. I am not a cocky person. I do not like to say I am important. But I will say that this next piece of info, I was crucial to the creation of.


    This is what we see in the sealed letters:

    There are realms beyond our comprehension, powers we can not hope to defeat. Two immense forces are at war, with our plain of existence being the battleground. There is a dark creature of the night in a land "far" away, it poses a threat to all.

    Specifically the last sentence is what I want to focus on. Dark creature of the night in a land "far" away.


    Now where do Grian and I come in? Well, remember when I first accused Wynncraft of having flawed logic?I had a pretty solid argument. But we did not know about Fruma. So as a result, Grian burned me so bad? Yeah... That was not fun.

    But anyway! Look at Grian's comment.


    Wynncraft's logic is not flawed.

    You even said the answer in your own post, but then contradicted it later :sunglasses:

    In the lore of the game, people don't consider Dern a true "province" as they just see it as a "Far off dark land".

    Meaning, there ARE still 3 primary provinces. (Although you should still think of Dern as a province).

    "But there are no more provinces" - This. This is where YOU are wrong.

    :wink: You'll find a new name surface in the update.

    We all thought that the point of this comment was to hint at Fruma. But look at how he describes Dern.



    In the lore of the game, people don't consider Dern a true "province" as they just see it as a "Far off dark land".

    (Although you should still think of Dern as a province).


    You know how I said the Devs always have a plan? Look at the word choice. And now look at what the letters say again. Let me put them parallel so you can compare easily

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    Dark creature of the night in a land "far" away.

    "Far off dark land".

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    See the similarity?

    Dark Land, Dark creature

    Far off, Far away?

    Specifically how the word far is in quotations in the letter.


    Bob died trying to fight something in Dern.

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    Still not convinced? Good you should not be. One bit of evidence is never enough. So lets take a look at gateway island.

    I am going to assume Bob went there. There is a letter on the island saying "Dear Nilrem..."

    Which is exactly how Bob's sealed letters start.

    In two threads (everything we think we know about Nilrem and about Dern) already we have said that the dark place you go to in that quest is Dern. If Bob was on that Island, boom, he has easy access to Dern.

    And look at something else from that quest. The NPC guy says whoever set up camp their is pbviously dead. Did they die going into the portal to Dern? It would all fit!

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    Bob was there 3 times. The first time he went there by mistake. He went through the portal and ended up in Dern. He say the Big Bad Beast and came through to the other side. The abandoned mines. Where the Miners first found Dern. How did Bob get their the first time? Well we know Gateway Island is an island. So although it is not in the Wynnic ocean, we can assume you can access it from the Ocean. The only time we ever 100% know Bob (or perhaps Nilrem) went to the Ocean was when he killed the beast on Dead Island. He could have gone off coarse coming back, and ended up on the Island.

    The second time Bob went to the Island he set up camp. Once he went to the island once, he knew how to get there again. He set up shop and started writing his sealed letters to Nilrem. He somehow hid them in the relic shrines in between this and his third trip. Or he gave it to Nilrem and Nilrem hid them later. We don't really know. The reason he went there for the second time is to do recon. He was an expert fighter, he knew what to take on such a beast you need a plan. For a plan you need info. For info you need searcher.

    The third and final time Bob went to the Island was at the age of 72 when he went to fight the Beast. He never came back. But Nilrem by this time had already built the tomb, hide the animals, and make up the story about Bob dieing to the wolves. Bob did not manage to kill the beast, but did manage to trap the beast in Dern.

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    So. That leaves us with only a few plot holes.


    Bob told Nilrem to continue training the Good. So where is Nilrem?

    If Bob died in Dern, and his spirit went to heaven, How is his body roaming ragni? His Body was never recovered. AND how is his body also in his tomb?

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    So I know this one was kind of rushed. I want to hear what you guys think. Because, believe it or not, Bob is actually one of the most controversial parts of Wynn.

    Comment what you guys think!
     
  2. SPYROHAWK

    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    So I could not make a thread with more than 24400 characters, and I was in to 27000's so I had to remove the twain lore.

    Here it is:

    The Noble House Of Twain
    Gather round the hearth one and all, for I have another tale to tell. However, this tale is not about a single person, more about the history of a place. A dark place that perhaps was not before. This is the ancient and very noble house of Twain, and its place in the province of Wynn.

    Before the unearthing of the hellish portal, the Wynn province was not without evil. Despite the vast empire that had spread across the land, there were those, particularly those with an affinity for power, that fell into disarray. Magic, as we all know, was a powerful ally to the early human empire and those who could wield it held great stead in their home place. However the limited strength of this magic could not quell the thirst that some individuals had for it, and turned to darker means to acquire more. These usurpers of the magical arts were outlawed by King Frederick III of Ragni once the death toll associated with the powers rose above that of the annual ravine jumping contest.

    There were those, named spirit seekers, who were tasked to seek and destroy any dark powered individuals attempting to gain power. The spirit seeker is not a job that is acquired easily, moreover it was specifically a job name granted to the inhabitants of the house of Twain. Twain is the last name of a family, a family of immense magical and spiritual heritage that has inhabited the province of Wynn for as long as past records go. Throughout recent history children have been blessed with gifts of elemental magic, gifts of this nature are so rare that there have only been 4 recorded individuals to have housed such immense sorcery in recent records. Often when a gifted child is born to the world, they are feared, and often hidden, abandoned, or worse. However, Marius Twain, an immensely old wise warlock sought these children, and gave them shelter in his family manor, located in a secluded pocket of land where they could seek refuge. Marius taught them to control their powers and use them to fight the individuals that wielded dark magic, these were the original spirit seekers, Rickeo, Theorick, Dwendle and Mael. Though once feared, when their allegiance to the throne was proven, they became some what heros of the province, a magical police force that were not to be challenged. With Rickeo's manipulation of fire, Dwendle's control of air and Theorick's ability to govern ice, the largest threats to the integrity of the empire were apprehended and slain. Mael, however, did not possess the same type of powers as his siblings (though they are not blood related, the inhabitants of the house of Twain were always considered a family). Mael was able to communicate with the dead, or more specifically, the spirits that lingered to walk the earth. He was also able, to a certain degree, to produce black mystic wisps to damage his opponents. He was by far the most recluse member of the Twain family, and spent most of his time listening to the woes of the departed that have unfinished business in the realm. Many people considered Mael's brand of magic to be "dark" and wondered why he wasn't apprehended himself. "People fear the dead" was the reason Marius gave Mael for his obvious unpopularity among his siblings, "you are a reminder that we are all simply mortal, despite our gifts". Mael wondered if Marius really was mortal, he seemed to tell stories at least 200 years old, but alas, it was true. Marius died of old age and gave the children instructions to continue the house of Twains noble work.

    Those who were able to wield the ancient dark arts were not able to be rid of entirely in the world, dark magic existed that allowed their spirits to remain bound to the earth and cause havoc. Mael was often left to deal with the angry spirits, for he was the only one able to handle their wroth. The physical elements that defeated them in life, were no match for them in death. The other siblings grew tiresome with Mael's reluctance to forever get rid of the spirits of the dead that remained, none more so than Theorick, who frequently reminded Mael that he would freeze his spirit out of him if he didn't take care of the monsters who they dealt with while they were alive. Mael however, had his own way, he sought to calm the spirits and send them ... "on". In his anger,Theorick couldn't stand to stay in the Twain manor any longer, and left to live in the nearest village, and formed it in his own image, frozen. Bitter in their old age, the siblings did not for fill Marius' wishes, they did not seek out gifted children, and they all split and went their separate ways, all except Mael, who remained in the manor to aid the spirits that sought him. However their anger did not last for long, for rumours of miners releasing more than mere dark sorcerers into the world had reached the ears of the aged spirit seekers, and immediately converged to greet the onslaught of monsters pouring out of the portal. There was held, the strongest battle on red soil. The four children of Twain, united in their old age to fight the hordes. However, although the monster numbers dwindled down, the spirit seekers were killed and it was seen as the biggest loss the empire has ever seen, for the four of them were stronger than any army. All dead, except for Mael, who was determined to teach at least one more worthy of his knowledge of the spiritual world.

    So the house of Twain fell into decline. Mael, unable to look after himself in his old age spent the remainder of his time in a secret library learning arts to pass on to the one worthy, for when he had passed on his trade, Mael would no longer be needed. Unable to answer the calls of the undead, they began to converge and amass in the Twain manor, angry that Mael would not listen, they roam the house, aggressive to anyone they may encounter.

    To the present day, the Manor remains full of unsatisfied spirits and Mael is nowhere to be found. It remains one of the few places that monsters from the portal will not go, but that does not mean it is by any means safe, rumours float around in the eternal winter village of Nesaak that there are still secrets to be discovered, as Mael had a lot to hide.

    ~Grian
     
  3. Air_Locke_

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    nilrem = ragni king because
    train the good
    new recruits
    although the only problem is that he doesnt really help in you in any way
     
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    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    Yeah we have discussed Nilrem being the king of ragni before. But it does not seem like it fits. The other discussion was fake death since he tests you in ToA, but that's also unlikely
     
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    One thing I noticed is that Bob was aged 72 when the fake body was found. This... well, this is where it gets strange. Let's assume that Bob was level 72 because of this. That means that he couldn't have used the daggers until three years later, if we think of levels as years. So Bob must have been on Gateway Island or somewhere else for three years. But where would he have been at that time? And of course, the daggers eventually came to be in Wynn after he died and the merchant in ToL got his hands on it. Or rather, someone gave it to the merchant. I wonder if Nilrem did that... or maybe someone we don't know.
     
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    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    I don't think it's right to label levels as years. It's widely accepted (or at least the theorists I talk with have accepted) that is has been 2-3 years between the player coming and the gavel door opening. But the player needs to have gotten at least 40 levels in that time.
     
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    we already talked about bob being killed by CoW, we resolved it wasn't the case and that he died killing the dragon on dead island.
    that argument was pretty old and a lot of info has been revealed since it but we still nedd to consider it as a possibility
     
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    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    We know he did not die to the beast of dead island. He killed that one.

    Yes the argument is old, but as it turns out, no concences as been reached. And with the new info with the Gavel update, why not talk about it again.

    Plus my curiosity was sparked by jpm's thread. Be sure to check that one out
     
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    Lotem Ex-Moral supporter in the official Wynncraft CT™ HERO

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    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    Well, there's something you're saying that doesn't make sense.
    You're saying bob KILLED the beast.
    In the letters it says he couldn't kill it, only seal it.
    Mind = blown.
     
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    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    Incorrect. I specifically say the beast killed him. He could not kill the beast, only seal it.

    I specifically make the point that he lost the battle. If he won, there would be no problem
     
  13. EchoingWinds

    EchoingWinds they/them VIP+

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    But did he die? Sure, what you fight seems to be Bob in Reincarnation. But is it really him? We've already fought fake Bob once, we could do it again. Moving away from fighting Bob, onto whether or not he died. Obviously in the sealed letters he assumes he is going to die. But does he? For all we know, he could have beaten the beast (although it's unlikely), or maybe he backed out at the last second. Maybe the monster he was facing took prisoners instead of killing people. Or maybe, as you said, he did die. Maybe Nilrem stopped Bob and fought the beast himself. Maybe the they fought it together. My point being that a lot more could've happened than what's on this thread, or what appears to be common knowledge.
     
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    FishWaffle It's ya boi VIP

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    I mean, by that logic of levels-years, we would start our journey as literally babies killing zombies, to old men on the brink of death running around killing who-knows-what.
     
  15. SPYROHAWK

    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    Don't think I did not look over that. Excerpts from the Reincarnation quest:

    • Batelu: You see, it says here Bob had three loyal animals. Before dying, he scattered them across the ocean.

    • Bob: I travelled too far, mined too deep, and of course challenged what should not be challenged. My time in Wynn was coming to an end.
    • Bob: I knew so, too. But I refused to leave without giving the power i had attained to those worthy of it.
    • Bob: Using what ability I had left to me, I transferred my power to my animals, in three pieces. In the hope that those worthy to harness it will seek them out.
    • Bob: The spell I placed on the door to this realm will only break to the one who collects my power. But it cannot have escaped your notice, you do not have my power.


    So Bob DID in deed die. Plus the fact that there is a cover up story on how he died. They would not make a cover up for a cover up.
     
  16. jpmrocks

    jpmrocks A Lone Wanderer

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    10 years passed after the Corruption started when Bob was born. Bob most likely traveled the sea, and met the inhabitants, possibly promising Nohno a chicken due to his kink. Bob most likely died sealing the portal to Dern on our side (used his life force). From there Nilrem built the tomb, buried Bob, etc.
     
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    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    He would not just give cluckles to Nohno. It's the freaking child of the cockatrice!

    And it says in the quest that he only supposed to look after him till Bob returned
     
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    jpmrocks A Lone Wanderer

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    I feel just cause its a baby cockatrice, isnt enough to say it wouldnt just be given away (there was the bridge hermit who had the baby cockatrice), as its just an animal. But I think Cluckles was a magic chicken, not a cockatrice. Maybe Nohno, no matter how crazy, is loyal to Bob's wishes, and wanted to take care of the chicken until Bob returned, even if he was dead.
     
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    SPYROHAWK Head Grand Theorist HERO

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    Quote from canyon condor:


    • Hermit: Only one traveler I have heard of could stand against the beast. I believe he took an egg from it for a pet, Hah!
    It is heavily implied that the traveler is Bob. The pet would be cluckles.
     
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    Or it's the Hermit. Where else did he get his pet from?
     
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