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Assassin Needs A Buff (math To Back It Up)

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by ~Void, Dec 21, 2015.

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  1. ~Void

    ~Void Travelled Adventurer

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    So basically some of my math MIGHT be invalid, but the point is still there, since if the weapons of same level and tier (which all the hive weapons are 100 and legendary) then they have similar average dps normal attack wise. Either way you spam spells at the same paste and therefore attack speed shoudn't be a factor if you are simply spamming spells and aren't using your normal attack at all. Therefore You should end up with similar results as mine dps-wise with SPELLS since I'm talking about spamming SPELLS and not using your normal attack in which I think you took into consideration.
     
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  2. Salted

    Salted Game Design & Wynncraft Founder Staff Member Admin GM CHAMPION

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    Spells are based on your DPS. DPS gets affected by your attack speed.

    I'll take your own examples.

    If the Mage has the "Infused Hive Wand" which he does in this case, then
    • Damage: 150-250
    If the assassin has the "Infused Hive Dagger" which he does in this case, then
    • Damage: 200-300
    The wand has a fast attack speed, so it attacks 2.3 hits/seconds
    The dagger has a very fast attack speed, so it attacks 2.9 hits/seconds

    It means the mage deals 460/s, while the assassin deals 725/s.

    Assassin's spell dealing 250% then means he deals 1812 damage.
    The mage 400% means he will deal 1840 damage.

    Both spells are fairly similar in terms of damage, what a funny coincidence!
     
  3. XXDeath

    XXDeath A wanted Drug Dealer

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    What about the mana? for a stealth class it is really really bad I hope it is a bug and not something that was implemented
     
  4. MagicGum

    MagicGum #GrimNation VIP

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    So basically, Assassin's weak spells balance out its overpowered main attack?
     
  5. Salted

    Salted Game Design & Wynncraft Founder Staff Member Admin GM CHAMPION

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    Kinda, while the mage is the opposite. Spells aren't meant to be 100% balanced in terms of damage, since the costs, range and more come in use aswell.
     
  6. Goati

    Goati actually joeo HERO

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    And Vanish doesn't work? Or doesn't work on the mobs that got past it for me (Swamp Ogres)
     
  7. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    Mages weren't exactly buffed, it seems like the rest of the classes got nerfed instead, my meteor now only does 1k damage at max when it used to do 3k. But I can still one shot mostly everything with elemental damage and I got 7.5k hp.
     
  8. ~Void

    ~Void Travelled Adventurer

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    I counted the mana costs in my calculations. :/
    If the so called "costs" that you are mentioning is mana then I already calculated that.
    and I counted raw Dps here, in the example where the "dummy" boss is in the corner getting beat to death, then you are as close/far as needed for your class therfore range doesn't come in count here. But I still agree that the dodges rates, double damage chance ect weren't taken into consideration.
     
  9. xkobyx

    xkobyx Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    @Salted @~Void Salted I think you won the argument about DPS xD
     
  10. Salted

    Salted Game Design & Wynncraft Founder Staff Member Admin GM CHAMPION

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    Who could have known that arguing against the guy who designed the game about how the game works was a bad idea?
     
  11. xkobyx

    xkobyx Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    I would never argue with you Senpai <3
     
  12. ~Void

    ~Void Travelled Adventurer

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    I knew it was a bad idea, but atleast I tried unlike most.
     
  13. Kraby

    Kraby *insert clever meme* VIP+

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    While your at it
    We can't know if assassin needs a buff until you fix it's bugs
    1)mobs that saw you before you became invisible can still hit and see you after you turn invisible
    2) multi hit doesn't give any kb and spin attack makes people fly around (they switched their kb)
     
  14. Dees

    Dees Not associated with my nuts.

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    Who says this is an argument, I'd call it a friendly debate c:

    Anyhow, I feel like any class can achieve high dps, with the use of elements. The mana - eh now that I think about it, its not that bad. The health - could do with a faster regen or as it has been mentioned before: faster regen when in a city or a town. I would rather use my potions when in battle rather than using them in a town because I took some fall damage.
     
  15. WilsonKry

    WilsonKry Well-Known Adventurer

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    You calculated this with spells and managed to forgot that mage is spell-heavy whilst assassin is more focused on attack speed.
     
  16. ~Void

    ~Void Travelled Adventurer

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    And I guess you managed to forget to read the entire thread since I acknownledge'd this. And Btw, EVERY class uses spells more often then normal attacking therefore using spells would be the most accurate way in my opinion.
     
  17. MrCreeper_02

    MrCreeper_02 The fire assasian CHAMPION

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    So does that mean that assasian is the worst class in wynncraft
     
  18. bobbob9830

    bobbob9830 Hi

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  19. MagicGum

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    Does elemental damage like thunder only apply to mobs with weaknesses to thunder or applies to every mob? Also if they are resistant to thunder do they take no damage at all?
     
  20. Chaos_Filler

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    Wait so fast attack speed is 2.3times/sec... I don't think my mythic dagger is right then, it says "Fast Attack Speed" but it gives me mining fatigue 4. (Which going off my horrible timing is 1.5time/sec)
     
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