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My Opinion On The Totem Idea

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by ArchAngel_Diablo, Dec 13, 2015.

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I really like your ideas and this post. I'm deffinetly backing this up even if I'm not a VIP! #I'm all in! +1

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i am a donor so my opinion has much less effect... but i only got vip since 1.12, meening i never really could live the double xp thing...
and i remember seeing all the vips have double xp and i thought "man, these donors have so much advantage... but they did donate to this server than its not that annoying".

you are so very correct with everything said in this post and i would really like it if the staff will actually take responsibility and listen to the voices of people.
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Yes I'd like to think the GM's are actually taking into consideration what everyone has said; if they add in the original totem or sheep idea I will be very angry and a bit upset knowing they have completely ignored the voices of the people who have donated to keep the server up and running, I would be close to abandoning Wynncraft if they have ignored us all.

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Yes I'd like to think the GM's are actually taking into consideration what everyone has said; if they add in the original totem or sheep idea I will be very angry and a bit upset knowing they have completely ignored the voices of the people who have donated to keep the server up and running, I would be close to abandoning Wynncraft if they have ignored us all.
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Agreed!

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Table of Contents (so dam long):

If I was in the Divergent series, I'll probably wind up being Candor, because I'm going to be brutally honest with you guys. This might get me a lot of hate, but here goes:
The Totem Idea SUCKS
And I have some reasons as to why it sucks.

1. The Duration is Very Short
Most people getting a donor rank means that you enjoy Wynncraft, and you want to support it. People may get donor ranks for numerous reasons, but currently many get the rank for the cosmetic classes. Buying a donor rank probably means that you will be leveling those classes, which means you might be playing a lot.

I play for around 2-3 hours a day, maybe even 5-6 hours during the weekends. And 1-2 hours doesn't exactly cut it. I know a lot of other players probably feel this way too.

2. The Flood of F2Ps
If I was getting 1-2 hours of double xp for myself, that might actually be worth it. But I'm not, I'm sharing the xp with a bunch of other people. These non-donors will literally be piggyback riding off of me, waiting for me to set down a totem. By placing down a totem, may non-donors might rush to you. Don't believe me? Check out the xp bomb servers. They are flooded with people. I'll rather peacefully grind by myself in the Herb Cave, instead of getting my xp stolen from others.

It's not fair for the people who didn't pay.
All the F2P players expect SOMETHING for NOTHING. They want double xp without supporting the server in any ways. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but that's not how the world works. You can't walk into a candle store and expect to leave with 2 bags of jelly beans and not pay anything.

Also, how is it not fair for the non-donors? VIPs getting double xp does not affect their gameplay IN ANYWAYS. Wynncraft isn't a faction server, where donors could shrekt non-donors with insanely OP donor gear. Do you see me abusing donor powers at other people? No, that never existed in Wynncraft, and never will. VIPs with double xp won't be slowing down the leveling on non-donors or hindering them from leveling. If you think about it, this is fair. Donators did support the server, helping it stay running and keeping it alive.

It's against the EULA.
1. Let me ask you a question? Just how many servers broke the EULA? Oh right, a lot. GotPVP, CosmicPVP, and nearly every faction, sky block, and prison server. If they break the EULA, why can't we? Why don't all the server owners team up and form some kind of petition against MOJANG? It could happen, its just no one's brave enough yet.

2. We ALREADY broke the EULA. Item bombs, xp bombs, & loot bombs are all against EULA. This might not be that big of a rule break, but it's still something.
Edit: Reread EULA more carefully, turns out this isn't against EULA. Ignored 2.

Mineplex and Hypixel didn't break the EULA.
What's different between Wynncraft & Mineplex? The population. Wynncraft has about 500-1000 people on, while Mineplex has about 20000 - 30000 on. Mineplex probably has more donators than our players combined. So don't compare us to the big servers like them.

Real Life Comparison:
Non-donors are basically trying to get double xp from the donators without having to donate at all.

In my school, we have this field trip to Yosemite. It costs about $700 dollars for each student to go. However, some people can't pay for this trip, so the school tries to pay for them. Over the past few years, the amount of people who payed started decreasing. It's not that many people can't pay; they don't want to. They want the school to pay for them, because they are (insert bad word). Since the school can't pay for all these lazy butts, they try to get the people who DID pay to also pay for the people who DIDN'T pay. Do note that I live in California, and a simple house is about 1 million dollars. If they can afford to live here, they can definitely afford to pay for the trip. But since they didn't, the school tries to get us to pay for them, which is complete unfair for us, cause now my parents have to pay money to allow complete strangers to join this trip, just because they are too lazy to pay for themselves.

Alright, finally got this out of my system. I've been needing to say this to someone for SOOO long. Sorry if I may have been too "extreme", but I genuinely HATE people who try to benefit from someone else without contributing themselves (I'm going to call them leechers) I know most people on Wynncraft aren't like that, but unfortunately, leechers do exist in this world.

1. Tweak the Golden Sheep Idea.
The Golden Sheep is actually the best idea, but it needs some tweaking.
1. Only allow people in party to gain xp. That way you won't get followed by others. And here is my proof:

Say your in Herb cave and the mobs there drop 100 xp. You kill 100 mobs and get 100 xp, but with the golden sheep, you get 20000 xp in all.
Other guy joins, both kill 50 mobs, and get 100 xp. Since he isn't in your party, he gets 5000 xp while you get 10000 xp.
If you have 5 people in Herb Cave (including you), you each kill 20 mobs, getting 20 x 100 x 2 = 4000 xp, while everyone else gets 2000 xp. Because of that, they might find it smarter to switch servers, since they are still not gaining as much xp, getting rid of this whole "noobs following me" thing, which was the main issue of the Golden Sheep.
This is the smartest idea since it still makes it possible for non-donors to get double xp, it's just you choose whether or not they get double xp or not.

Pros:

Double xp for you and possibly everyone, Yay!

Double xp all the time, Yay!

No one will follow you unless you invited them into a party, Yay!

Grinding spots might not be filled up as much, Yay!

Cons:

Chance that non-donors might not get double xp, Boo!

2. Tweak the Totem Idea.
I'm not saying this whole totem idea is a bad idea. It might actually be a good idea, but it needs lots of work before it can become excellent.
1. They might not want to give you a limited amount of totems, but give you a CD time for summoning totems. Example: 20 minute totems, 30 Min Cooldown. That way, out of 30 minutes, VIPs can get 20 minutes of double xp. If the VIPs were to go somewhere else, they still have to wait for the Cooldown, so they might feel compelled to stay within the totem range. This is smart so instead of limiting the VIPs double xp time, the double xp is proportional to how long they will be playing.
2. Instead of allowing anyone to get double xp within range, they should only give the xp boost to anyone IN the VIPs party, just like the Golden Sheep.

Pros:

Double xp for you & possibly everyone, Yay!

Totem should have big range, Yay!

Totem has a CD time, so it's proportional, people who play much win, people who don't play much win, Yay!

Cons:

Theres a ten minute CD without double xp, Boo!

Totem has limited range, confining to one place, Boo!

3. Just give Double XP back to the donors.
It's worked for years. For as long as I could remember, the VIPs had double xp, and it didn't affect the server in anyways. You might say it's selfish, but hey: VIPs donated, F2P didn't. VIPs get double xp, F2P don't. It's a very simple logic.

Pros:

Double Xp, Yay!

Double Xp all the time, Yay!

No one will follow you, cause they can't get double xp, Yay!

Grinding spots might not be filled up as much, Yay!

Cons:

No one else gets double xp. Boo!

4. Just Get Rid of Double XP
This is a possible solution, but that might make the purchases for VIP drop. So in order to get rid of double xp, they might have to add in a ton of cosmetics to help supplement the double xp, so more people will buy VIP.

So this is my opinion about this whole double xp crisis. Let me know if you agree or disagree with me. Let me know if you agree with my ideas, or if you think they need some improvement.
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know i aggre with you and i got one thing more that i find really anoying..... Do im a VIP+ but that dosent mean i have millions of bombs but people (not donators) keep and keep on asking me if i got a bomb i Can drop and even if i had one no i would only drop it if wanted it sooooo with that out of My system..... I agre
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know i aggre with you and i got one thing more that i find really anoying..... Do im a VIP+ but that dosent mean i have millions of bombs but people (not donators) keep and keep on asking me if i got a bomb i Can drop and even if i had one no i would only drop it if wanted it sooooo with that out of My system..... I agre
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Yeah even with people begging for people to drop XP bombs now, imagine the huge swarms of non-VIP's begging for a poor, innocent VIP to place down a totem, Oh God I can picture it now...
- Us VIP's DO NOT want people bugging us for that, and that is why the totem idea or anything that requires a VIP for non-VIP's to get any sort of boost is in all honesty, stupid.

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we understand the minecraft EULA is a dick but it's a thing we have to comply by

(if you don't say you're using a totem, nobody will find out ;) )

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I love your thinking. I really like the sheep thing.

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ArchAngel_Diablo said: ↑

nearly every faction, sky block, and prison server
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Not to mention literally every modded survival server...

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I love your thinking. I really like the sheep thing.
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Thank you :D

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I think many non-Donors dont deserve x2 xp. Why should they buy a rank, when they can recieve x2 xp anyways? So in my opinion WC just should bring back the x2 xp for donors. I mean the donors supportet the server with their real money.

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SOLUTION 3 PLEEEAAAASE

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LukeW2464 said: ↑

Yeah even with people begging for people to drop XP bombs now, imagine the huge swarms of non-VIP's begging for a poor, innocent VIP to place down a totem, Oh God I can picture it now...
- Us VIP's DO NOT want people bugging us for that, and that is why the totem idea or anything that requires a VIP for non-VIP's to get any sort of boost is in all honesty, stupid.
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Yes i dint buy VIP so i could be followed around and begged of droping bombs

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I think many non-Donors dont deserve x2 xp. Why should they buy a rank, when they can recieve x2 xp anyways? So in my opinion WC just should bring back the x2 xp for donors. I mean the donors supportet the server with their real money.
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Yes! exactly!

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Isn't it "Lockable"?
You can talk about it at original thread...

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FINALLY someone else said it too.
I spammed salted on skype and on the build chat already, but I don't think he gonna change his mind :(
IMO the best idea is your new golden sheep one. Even salted's sheep idea is better than the shitty totem one...

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xBananaGamer96X said: ↑

(if you don't say you're using a totem, nobody will find out ;) )
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No offense, but have you not read like half the posts on this thread? The point was not that it announced when you use a totem, but that non-donors will quite literally follow donors around pestering them to place down totems. Either that or people will start camping grinding spots until a VIP comes along and then use that chance to steal XP. Even if it was implemented with a party condition where one must be in a party with a donor to get the bonus, then it would just change to people spamming the donor with party requests.
I don't say this to undermine the playerbase of the Wynncraft server, it's just a representation of facts. When I'm online I already experience this with people spamming me asking if I have any XP bombs or following me around insisting I use one. I know not all of the non-donors are like this, but the ones that do behave like this are persistent and quite frustrating even now. It terrifies me to think how they may act if these ideas were implemented in the way they were originally suggested.

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Just because other servers break the EULA doesn't mean that you should break the EULA.
Also, please consider that, at the end of the day, this is up to the creators of Wynn. If they would like to give equality to all players, then they shall put their holy hand onto the realm of Wynn and make it so.
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0 common sense with 0 purified logic.

40k Peeps on 1 server all in 1 time with BOOOOOSTERS... Have you seen the MW boosters?
Plex: Has almost the same amount as hypixel.
A server with 1k peeps rarely happening needs a boost... Mojang didn't close any "Big servers breaking the EULA"
"Prison,factions,SB"...
Yes break the useless EULA.

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LukeW2464 said: ↑

Yes I'd like to think the GM's are actually taking into consideration what everyone has said; if they add in the original totem or sheep idea I will be very angry and a bit upset knowing they have completely ignored the voices of the people who have donated to keep the server up and running, I would be close to abandoning Wynncraft if they have ignored us all.
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OMG I HAVE MADE LIKE 8 THREADS ABOUT THIS. GMS DONT DO THIS KINDS OF STUFF, ALL WE DO IS QUESTS, ITEMS AND MOBS

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OMG I HAVE MADE LIKE 8 THREADS ABOUT THIS. GMS DONT DO THIS KINDS OF STUFF, ALL WE DO IS QUESTS, ITEMS AND MOBS
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Don't they do so indirectly?
I mean, the rest of the team reports what is going on / (whatever the community wants at the moment),
and GMs consider those informations..?

Tell me if I am completly wrong ;w:

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Don't they do so indirectly?
I mean, the rest of the team reports what is going on / (whatever the community wants at the moment),
and GMs consider those informations..?

Tell me if I am completly wrong ;w:
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WHAT THE FUCK DID I SAY

DID I SAY QUESTS, MOBS, ITEMS AND CONSIDERING INFORMATION?

HOLY ABBADA NO. OMFG

No but ye you're wrong we ONLY do quests, items, and mobs.

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