The Player (you) Isn't Such A Hero

NOTICE: At the moment I'm taking a break from updating this until I've experienced all of Gavel. Then I will either update this thread or make a separate thread dedicated to Gavel quests.

Spoiler: Update Log

1.0.1 - Yay I learned to used spoilers! Thanks for all the support guys! I'll be looking into what Ironraptor3 and others mentioned and will add them on once I've done my research. If there is anything non-quest related, but is substantial evidence that the "player" isn't a hero please feel free to comment about it and I'll look into it.
1.0.2 - HOLY BOB Salted liked the thread! What does this mean...
1.0.3 - Whoops spoilers went wacky. Hopefully it's fixed now.
1.1 - Screw spoilers @_@
1.1.1 - Trying out new format... hopefully it works >_<
1.2 - Sticking with new formatting. Split the "Quest Related" section into "Major" and "Minor". Added "Prison Story" under the new "Minor" section. Thanks to @Red-Eyed Knight for bringing it up!
1.3 - Dark Theme friendly! Thanks to @_DeadlockedX_ for informing me about the issue!

Spoiler: Things I'm looking into!

• QUESTS
  • The Mercenary
    
  • WynnExcavation ABCD
  • Potion Making
• Mechanics
  • Guilds
  • Emerald
• Lore
  • Corruption

So this is a thing I've joked around with my friends for awhile and I wanted to put it down for some discussion. Hopefully no one else has posted a theory like this, but regardless everything I'm saying is purely based off my own creative interpretation of the current lore and quest info and feel free to suggest or bring up information that may improve or add on to the current theory.

While the player may kill the occasional villager out of sheer boredom and enjoy the classic hobby of smashing everyone's pots for emeralds, these are all due to an individual's choice meaning that "the player" does not naturally do. Here are some major actions "the player" will always take no matter the individuals choices.

QUEST RELATED
- Major: These are quests that heavily contribute to the theory and require a significant amount of thought and analysis.

Spoiler: A Confused Farmer - Facts

Most players remember this quest mainly because of how wacky it is. You meet a farmer that urges you to find Drale, his missing cow, but to your surprise you see an NPC villager by the name of Drale. It turns out that one drunken day the farmer Blyvis mistakes Drale for a cow, leashes him, puts a tracker on him, and stores Drale away in his barn. You go back to Blyvis to clear things up and here's where things get a little strange. The dialogue is as follows:

• Bylvis: You are back! Where is Drale? Is he okay?
• Bylvis: Hold up, Drale isn't a cow? You have got to be kidding me, all these years he's been in here...
• Bylvis: He never even thought of telling me he's a person? Or even saying a single word?
• Bylvis: Well, I still feel a bit responsible. I was drinking quite a few drunkness potions the night I found him...
• Bylvis: Listen, give him my best wishes. I hope he does wonderful things over near Detlas.
• Bylvis: And hey, he can have a few of my emeralds, It's the least I can do for kidnapping him and holding him hostage for three years.

After this you immediately get some emeralds in your Inventory. You then go to Drale to tell him what happened but watch what he says:

• Drale: Wait... You just.. Walked up to him, and told him I wasn't a cow?
• Drale: It was that easy?
• Drale: I assumed a person who was crazy enough to mistake a person for a cow wouldn't listen to reasoning...
• Drale: So I just spent three years of my life imprisoned for nothing. Unless of course, he sent me something as an apology?
• Drale: Nothing? Really? Not even a few emeralds?
• Drale: You'd think he'd feel guilty enough to at least give me something in return for the three years of my life he wasted.
• Drale: Oh well, I guess I was just being optimistic.

Wait wait wait. "Nothing? Really? Not even a few emeralds?" You just got some emeralds from Blyvis, so what is going on? Well look at what happens right after this dialogue (Picture needed):
+600 experience
+44 emeralds

"+44 emeralds"? Who gave you that? In nearly every quest you are directly rewarded by the last Quest NPC you speak to whether it is a reward or a "take these and leave". Obviously it isn't Drale because he's the one that wants emeralds and really has no reason to reward you. So where did the emeralds come from? The only other Quest NPC: Bylvis. Remember that you received emeralds immediately following the conversation Blyvis says:
Bylvis: And hey, he can have a few of my emeralds, It's the least I can do for kidnapping him and holding him hostage for three years.

Spoiler: A Confused Farmer - Theory

Obviously there is a contradiction here because Blyvis specifically asks you to deliver emeralds as an apology. But Drale doesn't know this. This means that the "Player" took advantage of the situation and, knowing that neither parties would ever contact each other about this, kept the emeralds for himself. This shows that "the player" would rather keep a paltry amount of emeralds for himself than giving some well-deserved closure and compensation. After this the quest officially ends, but Bylvis, unlike most other Quest NPCs after a quest is done (something like gtfo or Hey! It's you again!), will keep saying:
"You did give him the emeralds... Right?"

Spoiler: Jungle Fever - Facts

This is a quest done much later that also brings some suspicion on "the player". You encounter a villager named Worid that claims he "caught a very bad fever" and "the only cure against this fever is to Liquid Emeralds!". You first go to Deltas Bank to get the 64 LE who immediately calls fraud and turns you away. You are then instructed by Worid to enter Detlas' Emerald Stash, which you do. Strangely you don't get anything from this action and you return to Worid again and engage in this interesting dialogue:

• Worid: Great, we can start the real thing now.
• Worid: You see Almuj has a very well guarded emerald vault named "The Emerald Labyrinth".
• Worid: It is guarded with tons of well trained Guard Golem, who can kill anyone in one hit.
• Worid: The Banker in the secret vault must be completely bored out of his mind, and won't mind if you find him.
• Worid: Good luck with that. Haha.. I mean, *cough*.

We obviously have to hurry before Worid dies. You then infiltrate Almuj's Emerald Labyrinth and find the Almuj Banker in the Emerald Room who gives you 64 LE because he really is bored out of his mind. Returning with the 64 LE you talk to the very ill Worid:

• Worid: You are back! Wonderful!
• Worid: That is a lot of money, thanks you very much, I will finally be able to... *cough* to cure myself!
• Worid: Here, take this part, you deserve it.

Spoiler: Jungle Fever - Theory

There's something VERY wrong about this whole quest. First, unless your INT is -999, you know the Worid isn't sick. Maybe sick with greed, but not physically. Second, this is pointed out adamantly by the Banker in Detlas so you know that everyone is aware of the situation. Third, even if you believe this is medicine why are you taking some of it yourself? Did you catch his Jungle Fever? Perhaps, because that ending dialogue sounds just like a mobster returning to his boss after a successful bank heist. Finally, "the player" is one to take advantage of people's trust. How can I say that? Remember that "the player" normally isn't allowed in the Almuj's Bank until you do the "Drought Sand" quest where Irt says:

• Irt: I'll let the Guard Golems know that you can enter the bank. Don't make me regret this decision.

I think taking 64 LE from Almuj Bank is definitely going to make him regret his decision... Once again there is a Quest NPC that will have a dialogue that gives the same feeling from "A Confused Farmer":

- Minor: These are quests that indirectly provide insight, only partially relate to "the player", and/or require a minimal amount of analysis.

Spoiler: Prison Story - Fact

This is one of the first quests you do and is the first quest that shows how morally astray "the player" may be. This is a fairly simple quest where you find Ooni in Ragni's prison who has apparently been imprisoned for over 20 years. Apparently he almost got another adventurer, Waront, to free him, but Waront was chased away by guards so you have to go find him in the sewers to retrieve the Prison Key. You successfully find him and give Ooni the key.

Spoiler: Prison Story - Theory

Why in the world did you just do that? There is literally no reason to help Ooni out at all, and every reason to go and arrest Waront. "The player" has recently been recruited into Ragni's army and this is one of the first things he does? Free a prisoner that has a 20+ year sentence? Betray the guards he works with? This could be a very dangerous man, yet "the player" decides that he deserves to be freed because... reasons... With a 20+ year sentence this man could be a serial killer or a traitor and he's STILL watched by guards (although they're conveniently absent when you pass Ooni the key) as shown by Waront's running away. While there's not enough information to make any conclusive statements about "the player's" morality, this does suggest something is not right with "the player". It may be due to just naivety and inexperience or something much more deeper...

LORE RELATED - WIP
OTHER RELATED - WIP

Thanks for reading my theories on how "The Player" may not be the hero we think he is. Again this is all my own interpretation so don't take these things as fact; however, these are things to think about and consider if these instances are coincidence or something more... Please comment any suggestions, contribution or thoughts down below!

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69/420 Wynncraft player is Illuminati confirmed.

Spoiler: Illuminati

Ok but for real, good theory. I've thought about this myself a couple times, how some of the quests don't exactly add up in terms of good morality.
(Also I hope they add an option in that confused farmer quest to keep the emeralds and gain less xp but more money, or give the emeralds and gain more xp. I like the idea of multiple endings to some quests.)

 

Nah you are dead on so far, most of the quests are like this. The mercenary has you kill an "evil" leader, but he is really just the leader of a rebellion against a corrupted aristocracy. You kill him without a second thought.

Also, the king of ragni is clearly using you, as not only is your transport attacked in territory directly behind the castle in the beginning of the game, but an old sign in the castle used to suggest that the king was a fake.

Even kelight, the temple of legends guy, thinks hes sending you to your demise to fight a creature that turned again his friends to stave off the corruption already omnipresent in the mines...

The list goes on (ignore the run ons, I'm on my phone)

Perhaps the character is not evil as he is misguided and used by the leaders of the land to ensure their own longetivity.

 

Another thing that adds to this, is that we kill the corrupted monsters mindlessly. I don't think most of us stop to question if what we're doing is ok. When you see a random level 1 Zombie out in the wild, you have two choices: Kill it and be more powerful (gain exp) or leave it alone. How do we know that the King of Ragni is actually telling us the truth? Do we know the corruption's true motives? Maybe not.

In a Gavel Q&A Session or a Teaser/Trailer, Grian stated that Gavel isn't corrupted, but still has monsters that wants to kill you. If our end goal is to defeat the Corruption, then is it necessary to kill Gavel's monsters? Also in the teased Gavel quest, "An Iron Heart", we find that the Iron Golems that kept our cities back in Wynn safe are made from human/villager parts. I forgot the end, but I'm pretty sure we keep quiet about this. Is that ok, that we keep quiet about a covert operation that requires human/villager pieces? Is the sacrifice worth it?

#HuntTheTruth

EDIT: some grammar stuff lol

 

If I was released into a field and they started attacking me first, i'd kill them back :I Also, play Wynnexcavation ABCD, and it'll explain what corruption is. The story we had known until the completion of WynnEx D was that Corruption has come from the nether after we accidently mined open a portal while searching for Emeralds. The monsters attacked us, and continue to do so.

 

The human "you" only sometimes makes good choices. Helping Almuj during a drought, helpful. Helping those two people get their family's books, once again helpful. But, in say, Mansion Delivery, you break into a mansion, burst through the place, all to locate that one room, and then leave. Basically, I think the players judgement is absolutely terrible, but the player has a good heart.

 

1. I still need to do quest D, but not high enough level. I did read some of its quest dialogue, so I'm pretty sure I forgot about that questline when I was writing the post. I'll edit it soon
2. You also make another good point, with "they attacked us first". But like @BlahBlah161616 stated in the post below yours, the play does have really, really, bad judgement. Also, see every-single-main-series-Pokemon-game-ever (10 year olds go out and explore the world, and their mothers don't really care that much, even when they go up against a criminal organization by themselves.

 

Nice theory man!!!!

 

Thanks for the support and yea that would be pretty cool, but I'm not sure what's going to happen for veterans that did all the quests already. Perhaps they could add that onto the newer quest to be released from the Gavel update.

Yea thanks for providing those details, I'll look into them more and add them onto the OP :)

The thing is that we have to kill in self-defense. This may be why all of Bob's Animals are aggressive so that the player is forced to kill them and obtain their items. I'll have to look into the "An Iron Heart" quest because that is mad dark O_O Perhaps Wynncraft is much much deeper than we thought.

Yea I'm only on C with my highest level class at Lv 56, so I'll have to refer to the Wiki or just level my class all the way to 75 in order to experience everything first hand (although that might take awhile >_<)

However think why the "player" does these things? The good of his heart, or the rewards? By helping Almuj during the drought you get access to the bank which is a MASSIVE asset that is necessary for Jungle Fever. There are moments when the "player" seems to be righteous, but we can't ignore the moments the player does some morally wrong things.

Thanks!

 

Actually if you read the official storyline, the corrupted target humans because the humans disturbed their rest in mining for emeralds, so yeah the corrupted aren't pure evil, but still, one shouldn't try to commit genocide because of what a fraction of a race's population did.

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I think the player knew what LE really were, but because of the potential rewards, and that someone's life really could be on the line, they played oblivious to Worrid's scheme.

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A thing to consider though, is that during WynnExcavation site D, Amadel says that only one of pure intent can unite the crystal shards, refering to the player. This means that in these cases that you mention, the player must be merely misguided and not meaning evil.

 

Imagine if we the players were all on drugs and seeing all these things as evil

 

Ehh... when you read the dialogue the and immediate reaction of the Banker, you know that Worid isn't fooling anyone. I feel like Jungle Fever is intended not to be literally interpreted as malaria but something else like greed. Anyways I'm not saying the "player" is secretly pure evil, but that he might not be a righteous hero doing nice things just because he's awesome.

 

You guys always talk so complicated xD Well atleast it makes me curious..

 

Can't wait! I'll be ready to dive right into it knowing that awesome secrets and adventure await me :)

 

SHH

 

Not to mention that we've given a prisoner his key to escape, betrayed innocent creepers, killed a guy's brother and Twain's Ghost, and haven't given all those innocent villagers we have killed a proper funeral.

 

I find most games with a hero aspect to be kinda like this. As the saying goes "might is right". basically the hero is strong so naturally anything he does is the correct thing. As long as there isn't anyone to stop them

 

Hey, remember when you gave Santa the corruption relic shard at the end of Craftmas Chaos?

Well, now you know what corrupted him in the future timeline. ;)

 

Okay here is my idea for that quest (A personal favorite of mine(The quest, not the theory(Although it is a good theory))

In the beginning of the quest Mylo asks you to go help his friend Amerigo with Ba'al, notice Mylo has no mention of a rank.

Once your at Almuj and find Amerigo he tells you about the situation and then you go off the kill Ba'al.

Once at the barracks and after nearly getting killed by bandits you overhear Ba'al's master plan

Spoiler: Ba'al's Plan

Ba'al: The commanding officers are aristocrats, all of them! They deserve to suffer for their selfishness!
Ba'al: Now that we have taken over their barracks, we can take over all of Wynn and make them suffer!
Ba'al: Today is the dawn of a new era... GAAHHH!

While this may be information to prove he is in the wrong, what happens next is the crucial part

Spoiler: The Kicker

Amerigo: Stranger, report!
Amerigo: You... You did it?! What? How... I mean good job, stranger!
Amerigo: You have done this city proud I suppose. Almuj stands for at least one more day.
Amerigo: Please take this small reward as a token of the city's appreciation.
Amerigo: Now run along, I have to collect my honorary badge for taking out Ex-Commander Ba'al.

So once back Amerigo say some things
Amerigo: You... You did it?! What? How... I mean good job, stranger!
Hmmm seems like you were supposed to die, one less hero in the world.
Amerigo: Now run along, I have to collect my honorary badge for taking out Ex-Commander Ba'al.
Didn't I kill him? How come you get the badge?

Finally, on killing Ba'al
Are we sure these bandits were bandits? They could have been the Nemract army.
Also with Ba'al's plan maybe it could just be revenge or out of anger. Although why did his brother get executed?
Let's not forget, what does Mylo have to do with this?

Being the main benefiter. Why?
Mylo says doesnt say if he had a rank or not secondly, he and Ba'al are both in the same army.

So what happened?
You were used for Mylo to become a better rank in the army, just by killing somebody who could have been innocent

That's my theory on that quest